Talk: Skorch

Slow down[]

You are adding too much infomation on the Fallout 76 page in multiple edits, making it difficult for others to go through your work. Please batch your edits. Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:28, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I apologize, there was just so much lacking on the article imo, not even talking about some basic concepts about the game. I'll try to batch them more from now on. Just curious, why did you remove the line: "The developers had difficulty adapting the Fallout 4 engine into a multiplayer game, due to the single-player nature of the engine"? Do you need a source for that? I have one. Skorch (talk) 10:33, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Because 'single-player nature' is a too ambigous, what is single player nature? Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Fallout 4 is a single-player game so events are coded to be single player. With 76, they had to rewrite a lot of the engine to fit the multiplayer format (such as allow multiple players to complete different quests in the same world), which they said was no easy process. Skorch (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok well that is much clearer, feel free to restore the sentence with a some more elabortation. Branebriar1930 (talk) 10:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Keep up the good work![]

I noticed your contributions and wanted to reach out to say thank you! It is good to see a new user around who is enthusiastic and knowledgeable. I am grateful for the work you have done and look forward to editing alongside you in the future. Thanks again! -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 03:48, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I apologize for any typos I make, my browser doesn't have spellcheck anymore for some reason. I'm just curious, are there any plans to update the Fallout 76 characters article? A lot of the list is not updated, not mentioning characters like Rahmani and Shin. I'd update the list myself but I don't really feel comfortable with editing that complicated template just yet. Skorch (talk) 04:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The Fallout 76 characters article currently includes the characters up to and including the Wastelanders update, all characters from later updates still need to be added. A cleanup tag has been added to the page so we haven't forgotten about it, just nobody has gotten around to doing it yet. Feel free to contribute, if you run into any issues with the template or the layout we can help fix them for you. The Appalachian 09:36, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Image palooza[]

Good work on the character pages. I had a few questions on how we know the images are of Melody Larkin and Sanjay Kumar? I am sure there is something that I am missing, I wrote a little note here. For the other images, aren't using footers anymore in infoboxes, I can see you have a good handle on label/tabber images so you can keep using those instead or stick em in the gallery. Just minor things, overall you are killin it. Keep up the good work! -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 20:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome, it was really confusing for me when I visited the Taggerdy's Thunder character articles, seeing a group of six people, and wondering who the heck is who. Sadly, I have no proof if those are really Melody and Sanjay. I also like taking photos of NPCs. I was wondering if it was possible to see if there's a body inside Hank Madigan's uniform, or hack out Beckett's glasses so we can get a photo of him without his glasses. I tried photomode on Hank and it didn't work. If there's any NPCs you need photos of, let me know, and I apologize for my brainfarts with the ocassional typos. I do plan on taking better pics of Katherine Swan and Xerxo once I unlock them. Skorch (talk) 21:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: Race param[]

Good call, and you are completely correct, I think there were less rigorous standards in the past which is why you see those. But we decided to remove them for this exact reason awhile ago, so any time you see race, please delete it. There should only be GECK race parameter (towards the bottom of the infobox) and never at the top next to human, ghoul, etc. Appreciate that logical way of thinking and assistance, we need both on the wiki :) -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 16:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Removal of archived links[]

Good job on the 76 articles, just wanted to make sure you don't remove archived links. These are very important and done intentionally to be able to access the information if the website changes or goes down (revision here). You can archive the external links you are adding too for this purpose, utilizing Wayback Machine. Not required, but just make sure not to remove archived links. One other thing, remember not to add to articles, they go in the tabbed/label format or down below in the article/gallery. Thanks for your work on these! -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 22:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding sources for your additions to an article[]

Hello Skorch,

First off, let me thank you for all the great work you have put into the wiki as of late, it is really appreciated. However, I noted that your additions usually miss references, which makes it unnecessarily hard for readers to receive further informations on a topic. A recent example would be your addition regarding the Interplay vs Snowblind Studios lawsuit to the Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel article. I went ahead and added the source for that lawsuit/settlement agreement.

In case that you are unfamiliar with adding references or how to format them, please see our reference formatting guideline. It is also perfectly fine if you add a link to a source in your edit summaries, that way other editors have an easy time adding a proper reference. Let me know, if you have questions or need assistance with anything. And most importantly, keep up the good work.

Have a great day and happy editing.
–Findabair^{The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful.} 20:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

My bad, I'm used to just adding sources for things not immediately available, I thought the lawsuit was well known and well documented enough. I'll keep that in mind. My hands also hurt after playing BoS, btw. I'm just curious, is this an absolute "no speculation" policy wiki? Are we supposed to remove anything resembling possible explanations? Because I see some speculation on some articles, so I'm confused. I understand why you'd remove the 25/52 explanation if so. I don't get why you removed the Nadia trivia though, her claim she was born "just" after the war makes no sense and seems to break canon. Or do you just think it's nitpicking? Skorch (talk) 20:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Not a problem, we really just want additional information for our readers to be as easily accessible as possible. Also, best wishes to your hands after mashing the controller.

As for your question, yes, the current scope of the wiki does not allow for speculation and original content, as per out content policy. This is even more restrictive when it comes to "behind the scenes" information.

As for Nadia, I initially removed the entry entirely for its magical math ("If she were to be 25 in 2208...) - however, I have since re-written the statement, and added a proper source in form of a link to the promo trailer in question.

Hope this helps to clarify.
–Findabair^{The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful.} 21:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

That's fine. I prefer editors who instead of removing other's edits entirely, they try to revise and keep it in such a way that it fits. Sometimes, you have to be really creative on how to word things, but other people will appreciate it in the end. I think I'm done the bulk of my editing in the past month anyway, I just got into the series half a year ago. I think a lot of people will always love and treasure 1-4 and NV, while 76 and BoS will always get a lot of hate, and I felt their wiki context was pretty lacking and their content will be more likely to become neglected. You'll see me keep up with 76 content edits whenever there's updates to the games. If there's something too iffy or just plain wrong, like how Kasumi's article claimed she was a human like it's a fact, or how Rahmani's article claimed she was the one who distributed the weapons (when it was Shin), then I'll try to tackle those. Skorch (talk) 21:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

"We are a wiki, not a strategy guide."[]

The regulations for in how far strategy information is allowed are different for each wiki. On Nukapedia we try to limit it as much as possible. As stated in ourcontent policy:
"All content needs to be objective. Opinions, gameplay strategy, and "my favorite"-style passages should not be added to articles. Accordingly, guides may only be posted as subpages of one's user page or as a blog".

It is okay to say things like "plasma rifles are the most effective against radscorpions" if you have a source that supports that claim, like the in-game damage resistances for radscorpions. The "Tips" section on the scorchbeast queen article (which I agree is not a good name for it) mentions some of the queen's weaknesses and perks which may be effective. You can add similar information to articles, but try to avoid saying things like "it is best to play as X" or "the player should use weapon Y" because that wording is very subjective. You can for example say that a character is most effective with a certain type of weapon because they possess a trait/skill, which is why I left that part in. It is sometimes to difficult to decide where exactly the line is drawn between gameplay information and strategy, I agree with you on that. The Appalachian 15:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: Portal FOBOS[]

Thank you for bringing that to my attention, I agree it is nonsense so I removed it. Let me know if you see anything else amiss, I am happy to help correct. --kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 14:02, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Relating this from Kate's talk page

Kate, this statement would be incorrect, as FOBOS was not intended to be a Canon game. Dev comments were quoted by Duck and Cover at the time (Quoted by DAC from the Interplay forums)

However. As we have stated more than a few times now, FO:BOS is not a continuation of the PC chronology. It is inspired by, and takes place with a recognisable tangent of the Fallout Universe, but is is a law unto itself. Further console games (should they come to fruition) will have to follow what we lay down with this game.

Is there an answer that will apease your "Why the hell change it..."? Probably not, because when you get right down to it, we changed it because we wanted to.

FO:BOS resides within a thrice-removed tangent from ourselves, with Fallout 1 and 2 nestled somewhere between.

Yes facts about FO and the BOS that we could use in our defense have been listed, but since we are going to stay the course that F:BoS is not meant to be canon or not necassarily follow canon, then we can't site those items. Can we?

As such the statement should read that it was NOT intended to be a canon game. Agent c (talk) 22:02, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Token of recognition[]

Hey, just wanted to let you know you're doing good work here, and you're being noticed by me and the editing community. You're making a nice difference here with your additions to the pages. And personally I have a bit of a soft spot for Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, so I am pleased with those images you uploaded recently! Jspoel 20:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, just trying to do what I can with the two black sheeps of the series, 76 and BoS. I plan to find out what the different rewards are for Ruby if you try to ask her for sex during the necklace mission because the official strategy guide is rather awful and does not tell you sooooo many things. Skorch (talk) 20:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Texas Expedition logo[]

Hi, I saw you added File:BOSTexasExpedition.png to a couple of pages. This image seems to be a fanmade recreation of the Texas Expedition logo, not an in-game asset, which is why it wasn't being used on any articles and why it is in the User page images category. You've added a lot of high quality FOBOS pictures, so if you could get an in-game picture of the Texas Expedition logo, that would be perfect. Keep up the good work! The Appalachian 20:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

No worries, in that case I will remove the image from those articles again because we don't use fanmade images.

I can help you with the referencing on Veronica's page. However, we're trying to move away from listing the ethnicity of characters next to their race (even if it's canon) and only use the GECK race instead, so that one should be omitted. The Appalachian 21:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

The date of death doesn't appear on Farha's page because the dod param is listed twice, and the second one (which is empty) overrides the first one. But I think the date of death shouldn't be mentioned at all if their death is optional. The Appalachian 22:06, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not too sure about that because, as you pointed out, we've been using it inconsistently. It might be better to ask one of the higher-ups like Kdarrow. The Appalachian 22:33, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Re: Your Question[]

I removed the description as "blood-like pools" because it is not objective, it is filler description. All information added to the wiki needs to be succinct. For example in this situation, it does not look like blood to me, it looks like rust. So better to just omit. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 00:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Ages and citations.[]

Not to be rude, but standard practice is for the person making the claim to add the references backing that claim. If you have the guide page open, and are already editing the pages, it's easier for you to add references than for me to. If you're unsure about how to do the references, just use <ref group="Non-canon" > (characters biography)<br />(''[[Fallout 3 Official Game Guide Game of the Year Edition Wasteland Census]]'')</ref>. Aiden4017 (talk) 05:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'd only seen your first message when I wrote this. Aiden4017 (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

I stopped by to say the same. Years can only be added to DOB if the year is mentioned explicitly. If an age is added, citations need to be added as Aiden has indicated. Thanks for your help on this. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 05:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it's why I'm not adding the years. Subtracting ages from the years doesn't mean it's an accurate birth year, after all, because you need to account for birthdays. Skorch (talk) 05:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Correct, do not add years unless it is explicitly stated. If you add the age stated in the game guide, it needs to be the entire reference and not just the name of the game guide. Let me know if you need help. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 05:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Reference guidelines[]

Reference guidelines can be found here. Once you do a few you will get the hang of it. Let me or other staff know if you have questions. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 05:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Mass Edits[]

I saw recently that on the Fallout 1st page you made 10 consecutive edits at once, if you could please either batch your edits into one big edit or use the Minor button on small edits that would be greatly appreciated. JustDoggo2 The Warden of the Escapists Wiki 19:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

TMI on FO76 page[]

Please don't go too everboard with how much you infomation you put on the FO76 page, especially when you start adding things like subjective opinions. For example you mentioned a "known" game critic who believed that FO76 is finally playable. His opinion is still an opinion (I'm sure you know we try to avoid those), and as for him being known I mean..I have never heard of him, so we can't make assumptions like that. Even mentioning metacritic (which is again, a subjective opinion) is pushing it in my opinion. Just keep this in mind. Branebriar1930 (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

But reception articles are literally for listing the subjective opinions of others, you see all of that on Wikipedia. You can list subjective opinions in an objective way. Reception articles are supposed to be more than two sentences of "This game received this score on Metacritic" and not go anything further than that. That's what the article was like before I edited it a month ago, and imo, it was just really pathetic. They're supposed to talk about the game, how it was received, why it was received that way, things people liked and didn't like. They're supposed to list reviews from sites like IGN and GameSpot and quote people's thoughts, opinions and feelings, which is what I was doing. I invite you to go read some more Wikipedia reception articles on video game articles.

Adam Sessler is a famous video game critic who worked for Xplay and G4TV. And the video is published on G4TV's YouTube channel (not their website, I know, but still their official channel), a popular and well-known technology and gaming focused publication and media outlet. So why can't it count? Adam Sessler has been one of the most famous gaming reviewers out there of all time, and just because you haven't personally heard of him, it doesn't change that fact. I'd argue he was the most popular video game reviewer out there before 2010 and people like Angry Joe came along. Adam Sessler has his own Wikipedia and he was the closest thing to a Roger Ebert the video game industry had. He is indeed famous and it's not just an "assumption" that he is. Skorch (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

References needed for all content added to wiki[]

Thank you for your additions to the Fallout 76 article. I am going to leave it as-is for now, but you need to go back and fully reference what you added. Content can not be added to the wiki without each claim supported by a citation. I appreciate your help. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 07:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Susie[]

Something to say for both, I suppose I can live with her being the younger sister, let's go with the guide then, instead of cut content. Jspoel 12:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Response[]

I read your messages. Most inquiries are made on Discord, please feel free to engage there. If you don’t receive a response from me, feel free to reach out to other admins. Findabair is the most active wiki side admin and can help you.

Specifically to answer your questions, all of these issues were discussed on our Discord. The sex page was duplicative and I merged it to appropriate pages. The list of characters was comprised of gender assumptions, and therefore sexuality assumptions, based on first names. We don’t speculate on this wiki in that manner. Regarding dob/dod, I asked you to stop adding guesses and incomplete game guide references and you persisted, so I removed the parameters. Instead we will add a parameter that requires a reference to appear in the infobox and add to a category to be vetted. That should solve the issue. Lastly, if you want to make changes to the main page, create a sandbox of your desired changes, let me know and I will review.

This goes without saying but this is a hobby for me, I’m currently on vacation with little to no connection, and honestly your veiled threats aren’t going to be effective. If you are dissatisfied with my response time, reach out to other admins with your concerns and leave your attempts at intimidation at the door, I won’t tolerate it. Concern this your one and only warning. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 05:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I already explained to you, the section was labeled "LGBTQIA+" so even if a character happens to not be cisgender, then they'd still fit into the list anyway due to being transgender or non-binary, and they would still be viable candidates on the list, so it would not quality as speculation. Veronica, for example, would have belonged on that list no matter what, whether she's cisgender or transgender or non-binary. You never explained how this argument is non-valid because you just didn't reply to me at all.

At the end of the day, you ignored me multiple times, for at least a week - technically two weeks about the main page overhaul. I have the right to ask you why you've been ignoring me. You've still been replying to other people who ask you questions on your message wall, and you've been making hundreds of edits daily for the past few days. I think it goes a bit beyond just your response time by this point. It is understandable that to me, you never seemed on replying to me at all unless I asked why. Trying to frame me simply going, "Hey, what's up? If you're not going to answer me, then I'm going to have to talk to the other admins about these queries" as "veiled threats" qualifies as bad faith behavior. The user who mentioned you have a tendency to make big changes without discussing it with other people counts as a valid concern, and me bringing it up should not count as "me threatening you". To frame it that way says more about you than me in my opinion.

I get that you've been an admin for less than two years so you're still new to adminship, but part of being an admin involves not assuming the worst of the intentions of others. I just wanted my questions answered after an admin seemed to be ignoring me. Another part of being an admin involves being able to handle confrontations well. You were the one who made the parameter changes hence why I asked you, instead of another admin first.

I also never added "guesses" to the articles, so I have no idea what you're talking about with that, you seem to be mistaken. I would never, ever say something like "this character is 30" unless an official source said so. I was *always* adding information from the official Fallout 3 game guide. Even when a character was said to be in his late 70s, the game guide also said he was in his late 70s, so it wasn't a "guess", it was just non-specific and accurate to the guide. And the time about those three characters, the game guide was wrong and I didn't know about the in-game terminals. The only thing I could think of me "guessing" is adding "born circa 2230", but even then, that's still an improvement over many of the articles claiming such birth years as fact (i.e. born 2230). You never communicated that if I didn't quote entire sections from the guide (although I did on a few articles), then you'd have to remove the parameters. Well, you did now, so that's clarified.

It's something I'm willing to do for all the characters, just in order to keep the parameter in the infobox. You don't have to add a special parameter to the infobox, I'm willing to copy-paste from the guide. I didn't do it originally because it would be time-consuming and I thought you'd be okay with the [clarification needed] (for the parameter to remain, at least). I just need a few weeks in order to do it. Skorch (talk) 06:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Skorch,

Allow me to chime in here, in an attempt to clarify and to address any issues you might have:

I can understand your frustration about not getting a reply. However, users are in no way obligated to reply to messages left on their talk page. If you feel that your issues are not properly addressed, you can always ask another administrator or content moderator to review them. This course of action will also likely help to avoid the build-up of frustration. Note, that it is generally advisable to use article talk pages over user talk pages for editorial conflicts, as this allows for more users to join the discussion.

As for the arising user conflict, I urge both kdarrow and you to take a few steps back. In all fairness, you made multiple assumptions about her behavior on her talk page with your last message, and your last sentence ("If I don't get any answers, I'll have to talk to the other admins about it.") sounded like an attempt to build up pressure. Which probably explains the reply you received. I would also advise you to refrain from statements about leadership capabilities, or assumptions about users acting in bad faith, as those will only further escalate the conflict. If you actually deem a user unfit to serve the community, you have the option to start a motion of no confidence on the forums.

In case of any additional unresolved issues, editorial or otherwise, please feel free to contact me or one of the other administrators.

I wish you a great day and happy editing.

–Findabair^{The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful.} 17:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree that it's ideal to focus on the issues rather than the people, although in my eyes, sometimes people deserve to have their behavior acknowledged, so it's not always unproductive, and I didn't appreciate the negative accusations towards me either. It's not something I enjoy doing either, dealing with personal drama. Although admins technically don't have to reply to questions on their walls, it is ideal. It also bothers me that I told Kate to ensure pictures have proper thumbnails because lacking captions is unprofessional for wikis, but she did not add captions to her Enclave article revision after I told her that. Anyway, I'll just focus on the actual issue, the parameters.

Like I said, I don't think the parameters should have ever been removed in the first place. Many characters had proper citations for their ages, dobs and dods, so nuking the parameters is overkill, and it also just makes it harder for people to add citations in the future. These parameters are standards for wikis, such as how Katniss has age in her infobox or how Ezio has dod/dob.

I also forgot to mention, Kate made the edit summary "moving param to base article" which made it seem like the reason had nothing to do with citations, but rather, an attempt to force ages/dob/dod into the main article, not the infobox. This is a bad idea in my eyes, because it just makes it harder to find this information. Having dozens of characters have their article begin with "_____ is a twenty-nine year old resident of Megaton" just looks awful to me.. Because character articles start with a Background, this means readers would have to scroll down and try to find a line that says "By the time of 2279, _____ is twenty-nine years old". And because users may not remember when each game is set, and we can't say "By the time of Fallout 3" due to articles being written in-universe, well... that would still just make it even more inconvenient and confusing.

It's not like the vast majority of ages on the wiki were incorrect either, they just did not have entire segments from the guide pasted onto the article. And if there ever was an assumption about a character (for example, I don't think I've seen any sources that Maxson is 20, it appears to be an assumption that F4 takes place 10 years after F3 so there is a chance he is 21), then that could've been dealt with individually. Because I do plan on adding in-depth citations, we might as well just re-enable the parameter in the infobox and let me go to town over the next few weeks. Skorch (talk) 18:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Re: Block[]

Per our conversation in the Discord's mediation channel, I think we have made headway in communicating and I am reducing your block duration. I look forward to working with you on improving our policies and the wiki overall in the future. --kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 08:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Re: Infobox[]

They should be FO76 for game in the infobox to show up correctly. Wastelanders is not a game, its an update. Thanks. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 07:34, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I checked it out, that looks great. Why don't we do that for these articles instead? Keep those good ideas comin. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 03:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

I worked on some of the infoboxes along with some of the other lads, feel free to keep changing them when you see them. As for as the GECK race goes, there should be a parameter specifically for that at the bottom of the infobox (GECK race). We don't need to list it twice, so if you see it in the top param spot, you can move it. Should always show up under technical tab.

In terms of the plagiarism found on Fallout 3 characters, each one has a game guide entry, rewording those and adding the full reference sounds fine to me. Any contradictions can be listed in the behind the scenes section, stated objectively and referenced appropriately. I agree it is good to have that information. -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 04:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Robot genders[]

Skorch, can you please explain why you are edit stalking Bowndarrow about the sex of certain robots? If you want to discuss a topic then please utilize talk pages. And while yes i do agree that certain robots should have their sex put only if it is clearly said, like Miss Nanny's or Assaultrons like K-L-E-0. But that does not mean that all robots should have their sex displayed, like the Fallout 2 Sentry bots, because it is never specified. The Mug Monarch Today at 03:57
03:57, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't "edit stalk", that's a silly huge exaggeration and a false accusation. I only edited two articles they edited today, Ned and Valdez. As a newly promoted content mod, you should assume good faith. I keep an eye on Recent Changes, just like many other people do on the wiki, and never single out someone's edits. The Ned thing was just me finding their edit questionable, while I edited Valdez's out of pure coincidence. Two instances are far from "stalking". Anyway, I was just trying to keep the article consistent with other Mister Handy articles I've seen, but if those are the conditions to include the gender, then that's fine. I wasn't sure if robot genders was a debated issue yet. Skorch (talk) 04:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for assuming you were edit stalking, that was wrong of me and i did not throughly look through your contributions, next time i will look properly, i retract my prior statement, i am sorry for not asuming good faith. But yes, if the game does Specificially state the gender then it should be listed on the page. Otherwise, it should not be assumed/listed. The Mug Monarch Today at 07:30
07:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Batter's exploit and other info[]

The note on Batter's page described a potential exploit to complete a challenge, which is not really relevant to the character. I also don't think it should be in a Tips section, as Tips is not one of the standard sections we have on character pages. I think it would be fine to have methods for completing challenges on the challenges page if described in a neutral way, for example for the scrap pipe weapons challenge "a large number of pipe weapons can be obtained by repeatedly killing Barter and exiting back to the main menu during the Wayward Souls quest". The Appalachian 19:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Challenges are similar to quests in many ways, and as such having something of a walkthrough makes sense. The Appalachian 19:33, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Patroller rights[]

Are you interested in patroller rights? It will give you a leg up in the community, making you more recognizable and possibly facilitates more rights in the future. Jspoel 15:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, it's flattering, but I don't really want to be staying on the wiki for too long or getting higher up in the community, so I politely decline. And also, the community here is... too dramatic for my tastes. I feel the Fallout franchise and games are just such a crazy timesink as it is. There's just some tasks I'd like to finish mainly which you may see me switching around on different days just so you're aware of:

• Re-add Fallout 3 info but rephrase it so it's not a complete copy-paste of the game guide
• Ensure every Fallout 4 character has a quote
• Add info whenever Fallout 76 updates
• Add some images and notable quotes from time to time

Thank you for all the hard work you do adding the sound quotes. Honestly, it just seems like a crazily huge daunting task to ensure every voice line is on the wiki. I just have a simple request for you, but please keep doing it on all the characters listed on the Major Characters template (e.g. Frankie, Norland, Roper, etc). Have you ever thought about just doing the quote on the article only, not every single line they say? I feel like it'd just be a more valuable and efficient thing, since not everyone visits the Dialogue sections. I think it'd be great if you could do this for Fallout 4 characters too. I also apologize for some of the typos and derpy writing I leave behind sometimes, it's pretty brainfarty of me. But hey, someone's gotta be a writer. Skorch (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

About the dialogues, I enjoy doing those, and I'm already a long way down the road. Just a few add-on categories left. And those dialogues before adding the sound files, contain dialogues from multiple characters; I fix this at the same time. I'm also planning to do Fallout 4 characters when I'm done with Fallout 76. Jspoel 17:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you[]

Thank you for your kind words. I am not exactly new to editing but I would be happy to help with any current projects. I use Nukacrypt to retrieve in-game data. LaymansReign (talk) 00:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Sexuality BOS[]

Howdy. I was curious as to where themes of sexuality appear in Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, as I don't see a source for it on the page. I figured it would be easier to just ask on your talk page rather than throw a citation needed tag on it and hoping for the best. LaymansReign (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• Ruby is a prostitute who can have sex with you, and her cat is named Mr. Pussy
• Harold and Ruby are mentioned as having a sexual romp where his "meat slid off the bone"
• Jane's entire appearance, and a comment about how she loves staying in the mill due to the vibrations
• Jane makes a threat to Cyrus about cutting his dick off
• Before Armpit dies, he tries to make a sexual joke about a ghoul being "hung" with a big dick
• There is a certain poster (visit the "Secret Vault" article and look at the Gallery)
• There is an unlockable pin-up video of the women being scantily clad in sexual ways and poses.

Additionally, the entire game's plot revolves arguably revolves around sexuality because the super mutants are infertile and are trying to reproduce. There may be other instances I'm forgetting, but sexuality definitely is a theme in the game. Skorch (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added Ruby to the "Other relationships" section. LaymansReign (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Twitter[]

Hey Skorch, are you on Twitter? I’m trying to feature pages that have been improved lattely and I see you’ve made some sizeable edits. Looking to tag you in if you do. Agent c (talk) 20:08, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I am very allergic to Twitter. I really like my work on Duchess's article tho, if it counts (and honestly, all my work on the BoS articles, even if everyone hates that game). Skorch (talk) 21:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Overturned corpse[]

Hey there Skorch. Admittedly it was pretty jank, but I managed to overturn Kenneth's body by lobbing grenades at his corpse until he landed upright in a suitable position. I could look into trying to do it for more characters. LaymansReign (talk) 15:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Maxson image[]

Hey, for the purposes of Arthur Maxson, I believe it is important to show the older version, as he's a major character and a majority of searches come from Fallout 4. Prominence and visibility are a factor in selecting primary images - and itn this case, this would help instantly tell the user they have found the right article. Тагазиэль 11:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I figured, but I don't know if I entirely agree with that. The article explicitly shows a Fallout 4 tab right next to the Fallout 3 tab, so I don't see how people would actually be confused. It also creates an inconsistency with MacCready, who is more prominent in 3 than Maxson is. I guess I'll just suck it up and go with Fallout 4 if it bothers you that much, but it's important to change his quote to a Fallout 4 as one, which also irked me. Originally, it was the other way around (a picture of a child Maxson with his deep Fallout 4 voice as a quote), which honestly weirded me out. Skorch (talk) 11:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely. I don't know if the Fo3 MacCready is really more prominent, though. Fo4 consistently outperforms Fo3 articles by a large margin, plus there's more content to the Fo4 McCeady as well. Тагазиэль 15:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Vault page[]

I'd say that would be worth mentioning on the article's talk page to see what others think. I'm not opposed. For now, our current policy is inclusive of all levels of canonicity, so the content should stay. Keep an eye on the forums, there's currently a canon proposal there, which will be put to a vote in the very near future.

intrepid3597/1/22 2:38pm CT

I've removed the notice for now. The Fallout Bible is not getting any special treatment one way for the other, that includes singling it out as a source. . Furthermore, it was placed in a way that could result in it getting captured by Google and presented as a search excerpt, which is... Bad. Тагазиэль 14:16, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Then we should list all the [Fallout Bible] sources into [Non-canon] for now, at the very least, just like all the other articles do. Every other article typically categories into "in-game", "supplementary" or "non-canon". Skorch (talk) 14:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I can see where you're coming from. Here's the thing: Whatever Kdarrow may have unilaterally edited in never followed the proper procedure for changing policy. The only canon policy that applies is the one that was voted in, with a Game/Non-game/Non-canon division, where non-canon is reserved for cancelled or ejected games. Bible is a non-game source like any other, so it gets no special treatment or markings under that policy. Тагазиэль 14:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

If you go here, the Fallout Bible is categorized under non-canon, and if you look at the formatting guide, it's telling us that we should indeed group the Fallout Bible under non-canon markings. For example, look right beside "The citations will look like this in the article:" So if I did shove all the Fallout Bible sources under a [Non-canon] tag, it would be following the current policy, and what the article is currently doing is actually not following policy. Skorch (talk) 14:32, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

(←)  I see it in Supplementary sources, I don't see it in non canon. Agent c (talk) 19:50, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I just updated the canon policy page's reference section for clarity. Under the current policy, the Fallout Bible is non-game. Supplementary and dependent sources are non-game, and anything explicitly named in the non-canon section is non-canon. The reference section used the Fallout Bible as an example reference for "Non-canon," which was confusing an incorrect. Hopefully, it's more clear now!

intrepid3598/29/22 3:06pm CT

Considering the previous version of that page, it's easy to see why someone would get confused. I still think that Fallout Bible should be categorized as non-canon and not non-game though, even Chris said it's no longer canon so it shouldn't be treated as a supplementary source with the same weight as a developer interview imo. If there's a canon policy change soon, I'd like to vote on that. Even if Kdarrow and I didn't always agree, this is one of those things I'd have to agree with her on. Skorch (talk) 23:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

You're in luck! Check this out. We got sidetracked a bit, but feel free to share your thoughts there. A little bump might get the attention focused back on it. We're looking at updating the canon policy.

intrepid3598/29/22 7:29pm CT

Videos[]

I've replaced those videos, and updated the dialogue lines. They're section files when extracted and I made an error placing them in line. I'll see about Abigayle's dialogue, I didn't do that one because all the dialogue is from holotapes and the audio is on those pages. Jspoel 15:34, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, uploaded all Abbie's dialogue audio, turns out it still had dialogue from others. So all good now. Jspoel 16:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Sam Blackwell[]

Ok, did some investigation and it turns out there are two Sam Blackwell Interview, Pt. One dialogue branches, one used and one cut. That specific line you mention is from the cut dialogue branch (though the audio for it is still available). So it should be replaced. Jspoel 15:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Japanese dub[]

Howdy, hope you're doing well. I was curious where you get your information on the Japanese dubs for Fallout games. I've been adding Spanish localization based on the website Doblaje Videojuegos but I wanted to know if there was an equivalent site for Japan. Thanks! LaymansReign (talk) 00:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I got it here: https://vault76.info/archives/27098277.html Skorch (talk) 01:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you again. LaymansReign (talk) 02:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Featured articles[]

Howdy, hope you're doing well. I was curious if you'd be interested in contributing to the featured article project that I'm currently running. We just started the phase in which we nominate new articles to be featured on the main page, since we need over 200 new ones. If you know of any high quality pages you'd like the wiki to recognize, I think your input would be well appreciated on the project. Thanks! LaymansReign (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

fso bios[]

hellll yeah buddy. i have a massive disorganized bin of fallout shelter text ive capped. i would not ask you to sort it for me but you are welcome to pick through it if you want. just let me know and i'll throw it up in a few mediafire zips. i think did a big bio pass right before the reset patch, i hope i still have that folder somewhere... --Anachorite (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, I think it's high time someone did this. I'd love to see what you have. Skorch (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15sR0e0yPLJ6t6Lb_NbywzKQMfyqOjGGG/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HnShbXZ3wEAPW4RTIcuqcGv_kPeUzAOK/view?usp=sharing

i named them volume 1 and 3 because i think i misplaced my first batch from the reset ... hope this is useful to you --Anachorite (talk) 20:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

wait, this is volumes 2 and 3 ... what's missing is my screens from the old version, i might have deleted those. if they turn up i'll send them as well --Anachorite (talk) 20:39, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Dialogue[]

I've done some work on the dialogue, not sure I can get all of it, sometimes it's difficult to filter it. Jspoel 15:01, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

old fso screenshots folder[]

i seem to have misplaced the folder with my caps from the old version of FSO... but Tag thinks she may have it lying around, from when i originally shared it late last year. i'll send it to you if i find it, but otherwise, you might be able to get it by asking her. some lategame character quest stuff, a lot of limited-time events, old translation differences, stuff worth seeing.

i'd like to crack this game wide open and make its creativity and context somewhat accessible to the greater fan community. gonna try to make some progress this month. all the groundwork you've done is very appreciated, would love to see more FSO coverage from you.--Anachorite (talk) 19:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I took a look at the folders and it all was pretty much just the beginning storyline missions. On the plus side, 13smok is still uploading those lore vids. I'll try to cover FSO whenever I can, just very busy lately and 76 is my priority instead nowadays. Hoping the SEA version will get more story chapters soon, it was main incentive for playing FSO. Skorch (talk) 02:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

SS race[]

That's a very strange statement by the SS in Far Harbor. I don't think we should go by it though. The Institute was founded in the early 2100s, gen-3 synths even much later, the SS is born halfway around 2050 so I don't see how he/she can be a synth. Also, we should consider everyone in the GECK actor branch a human unless they drop a synth component or it is proven otherwise during gameplay. That Far Harbor statement doesn't do it for me. Jspoel 21:40, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Couldn't the answer to DiMa be something to please him? Your explanation is a lot of speculation, and pretty far-fetched. Maybe you could get in touch with a dev to ask what the background of that statement is. Jspoel 22:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Best (if you haven't yet) ask around in Discord's editorial balpit then. I see where you're coming from, removing the race, adding a refnote at Human in the infobox are possibilities, though a general note may be sufficient too (which you already have added). I'm not sure, but I feel we need more input from the community. Jspoel 22:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Blue Ridge[]

Howdy Skorch, hope you're doling well. I wanted to ask if you were interested in helping out with a project I have going related to Blue Ridge Caravan pages. You can check it out here. LaymansReign (talk) 04:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to be a bit pretty soon with busy stuff stuff going on, so I can't promise I can commit, but I'll definitely try to help out the articles whenever I have free time. Good luck with expansion project. Skorch (talk) 04:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Feedback[]

Thank you, I'll take it into consideration. I don't believe it's "unprofessional" to have the occasional flourish on a wiki devoted to a game series. What I feel is supremely unprofessional is talking down to people ("I appreciate your enthusiasm when it comes to page rewrites"), so please take this feedback into consideration.

On Amata, this is not extrapolation. The Vault 101 population is explicitly shrinking (as per Grandma Taylor) and out of the teenagers taking the GOAT, all of the guys are Tunnel Snakes and pick on Amata. 2+2=4 is not an extrapolation, it's simple math. 【Ｔａｇａｚｉｅｌ】 ☏ 09:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hellcat Company[]

I think I understand the context behind it a little more now, and I didn't know there was a new Atom Shop item so that's on me. But I still think it's a little too speculative to add in the main body of the article, when basing it just off of the power armor. Perhaps we could connect the mention of "hellcats" in Fallout 4, the Marine Corps influence, etc. in Behind The Scenes, but I don't think we can say for sure that they're pre-War (yet). I would always be happy to see any dev commentary on it, though, like what we got for the Fanatics. LaymansReign (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

So long as it's worded alright (without weasel words), that would be cool. I'm not so sure about the Sole Survivor infobox, however. Perhaps a decent compromise would be to include a footnote in that parameter like "Human [note]" that links to the section about the conversation with DiMA. LaymansReign (talk) 23:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Patroller[]

Hey I wanted to thank you for your work on the next gen and Fallout TV series. Really happy with that. If you want, I can give you patroller rights so you can move further up in the ranks in the future. Jspoel 18:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Like I said before, I'm just not interested in having responsibility. You can thank me by keeping up your good work with the voice lines, I hope you can do Adelaide's/the Russo family's soon. Also, I would like to see you getting into the habit of adding voice lines to the article quotes. You uploaded a lot of Fallout 4 voice lines in the past 1-2 years, but I often take breaks and am not aware of all the characters you've done, so their articles lacked sound bytes for a while. Skorch (talk) 21:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Ha, yeah, now I see I offered them to you a year ago. Oh well. I'll see about those voice lines. Jspoel 22:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Starship[]

I reverted the changes. While I understand your point, the problem is that we do not require Bethesda confirmation of canonicity for anything else, and singling out the entire reason the Vault experiments were introduced in Fallout 2 is special treatment that shouldn't be happening. Might as well mark every bit of Fallout and Fallout 2 not explicitly referenced in later games as non-canon until introduced yesterday. Tagaziel ☏ 10:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The issue is, Tim Cain does not have control of Fallout canon anymore, and he openly said he does not. Emil said what is explicitly said what is in the games is canon. This technically isn't Fallout 2, this is someone explaining what the original intention was. I know this is a can of worms, but I feel this is worthy of a discussion/vote. Tim said China dropped the first nuke, something which later seems to contradict the Fallout show. Additionally, some of the Vault experiments under the starship idea make absolutely no sense. Skorch (talk) 11:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

He did have in 1998 when he designed the Enclave and Vault Experiments, and that's what's reflected in the article. One thing that bothers me is trying to retroactively deprive developers - hell, the original creators! - of the ability to explain and clarify the meaning of certain design and narrative choices they made in 1995/1996/1997/1998, because ten years later someone bought the franchise.

Furthermore, China dropped the first nuke. This was established in Fo2 first, but due to Richardson being a VERY unreliable narrator, it wasn't until Fo4 that it was given unambiguous confirmation, later further confirmed in Fo76. Note that Barb only floats the possibility of dropping the nuke - that doesn't immediately mean Fo2/Fo4/Fo76 are non-canon. Tagaziel ☏ 11:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I never tried to "deprive" the creators of explaining their original intentions, which is why I'm fine with it being explained in the Behind the Scenes sections, I just don't think it should be canon because there's no proof Bethesda supports the Enclave starship idea. When you start mentioning the starship in the main article, the wiki is acting like Cain is still in control of canon. The TV show had an opportunity to mention the experiments would be for a starship, but it clearly never went there. And whether you like it or not, Bethesda bought the Fallout IP and the rights to Fallout canon, and can overrule what Tim Cain's intentions were for Fallout 2. Skorch (talk) 12:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Adelaide edit[]

We've never chatted before, so Hi Skorch ! So, it appears that edit that was undone on the Adelaide page was actually a valid edit - the image files ARE capitalized. On my laptop, it doesn't make a difference that the file names are de-capped on the page, pulling up the image isn't case sensitive for me. But perhaps on whatever device that editor is using, the images aren't pulling up because the file name doesn't match exactly ? Or some other reason they singled out correcting the capitalization on that page for those files ? It was their first edit ever and I noticed you did not include an edit summary for why their edit was reverted. - AngelaStuff2 (talk) 20:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi. They removed a .gif for no reason, it was their first edit, and their username is... well, self-explanatory. Seems to be a troll edit. Skorch (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahhhh, I missed that part of the edit, thanks for pointing that out ! And also, it's very possible the capitalization was auto-done because they used visual editor, and they only removed the gif but didn't actually even make those cap changes. I know that visual sometimes adds or deletes spaces and other weird things. - AngelaStuff2 (talk) 20:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)