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Speculation[]
I removed some of the speculation that had no foundation in facts. Ausir 00:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- Have you any clue about source of this Bering Strait information (my question at MEC minigun article discussion was never answered).--dotz 20:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
- I thought it was mentioned in Tactics, but I now checked and it isn't. Probably someone made it up, so I'll remove it. Ausir 20:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
The description for the AK-112 assault rifle also mentions the Soviets. Zorkins 17:50, 09 February 2009 (UTC)
Possible Retconning[]
I think since Bethesda made it so that in Mothership Zeta, the bombs dropping were caused by the aliens, they should say that the reason why the Russian Federation is still the USSR, should be not because it didn't collapse, but because, oh say Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin revived it sometime in the 2010s. Sort of giving us more of a "history repeats itself" kind of feeling rather than a "history has been stagnant since the 1950s" kind of feeling. Ronald Raegan was mentioned (as an actual president) in the Fallout bible at least. I don't know. I some ways, I just wish this series was more on par with reality, retro future was subtracted from the equation, and we were given a better explanation to as of why some forms of technology weren't alot more advanced than we'd think they'd be considering that some of it is supposed to come from 66 years in the future. 'Cause when you think about it, the campy feeling looks kinda cheesy, hokey, and just plain lame. But that's just my oppinion.
- Get out. Aliens didn't cause the war and Fallout has diverged for a good reason, because it's not a sociopolitical commentary.
Tagaziel (call!) 09:23, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
- Really? I could've sworn hearing that they did...and you may be right about that. So my bad.
MIR and random encounters[]
The appearance of MIR was just an easter egg in a special encounter it is not canon even for Tactics. Ausir 11:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- Just to be sure - how do we know it was easter egg? (and philosophical one: why this easter egg is not a canon?)--dotz 17:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- Because it was only in a special encounter. And all of these encounters are pop-cultural references that are outside the canon. Ausir 18:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- I recommend to establish a Canon Council to judge such cases. Do you realy think Mir is pop-cultural reference? BTW I am going to describe present at Fallout 2 alternative plot concerning King Arthur's faction at weakend Brotherhood of Steel (at least 3 random encounters).--dotz 20:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- Because it was only in a special encounter. And all of these encounters are pop-cultural references that are outside the canon. Ausir 18:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- Fallout developers always were clear on that the special encounters are non-canon. Even if some of them could possibly fit the canon (and Mir doesn't, since it was launched in the 1980s), they are not, unless you want to argue that Fallout takes place in both the Star Trek and the Doctor Who universes. Ausir 21:35, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- I've always suspected it :) Do you remember notice about possible Klingons attack during space flight to BOMB1? What about found artifacts? I am going mad. Where is my Alien blaster?! Clear the holodeck! Aargh...--dotz 22:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- Your holodeck and alien blaster are no match to my TARDIS and sonic screwdriver. Ausir 22:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- I've always suspected it :) Do you remember notice about possible Klingons attack during space flight to BOMB1? What about found artifacts? I am going mad. Where is my Alien blaster?! Clear the holodeck! Aargh...--dotz 22:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Political Flipping[]
It seems the USSR and China have switched roles in the Fallout universe. The USSR seems to have become a "commerce with all, alliance with none" (as John Henry Eden likes to put it) nation, and China is a super-communist menace. Perhaps this may show divergence DURING world war two or even before it, perhaps with Trotsky taking Stalin's place in the USSR which would make a more politically free and civilly free soviet union. Mao's china would seem to be the greater of two communist evils in a Mccarthyist (or similar anti-communist) 1950's America while the USSR will seem a "Nessicary but evil" trading partner like China was for most of the cold war. On a related note, the US seems to be more isolationist then it's 1950's counterpart, it's possible that they never entered WW2 in the first place, it may have ended in a nuclear exchange before they entered the war making Europe in a much weaker state for the century to come.-Accountless Avenger
- Good points. TheCzechDuck 02:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- World War II was the same as in real life because it has the exhibit in the Museum of American History. S Berger
Given that the European powers all but dissoluted, and the Great War rendered the USA and China both crippled, wouldn't that mean that the U.S.S.R. would be the strongest world power following the Great War? --117649AnnihilativeRepentance 01:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- The whole world was destroyed in the Great War, not just the US and China. All capable countries launched their nukes at one another. Ausir(talk) 01:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Remeber that political flipping is a VERY common occurence in world history. For a simple example, look at the switching alliances between the UK, France and Germany during the past centuries. The USSR may not have fallen in this universe, but relations could have improved just as they had leading up to their fall in the real world. - Redmess (talk) 23:49, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
Old Party Guard
Accountless Avenger,Sorry but why do you think that If Old Party Guard(Bornstein),would have won,USSR will become mor free and civilly.No and NO.BECAUSE at first if Trotsky would have won,USSR would have been destroyed after 1917 year.You know that Stalin( was anti-revosianist and Bronstein trusted in the Great World Revolution.Great World Revolution-it is utopia.Utopia-is a dream,and it is not realizable.If he would have become head of state,he would have killed by maybe Kamenev-Zinoviev union or by Stalin Guard(as happened),in Soviet Faction war(1922-1938).Or Soviet Union have been destroyed by Western countries.And sorry,if you dont know Soviet history and Stalin Era history,please dont write about Trotsky.My opinion,that in Fallout universe,there was no Perestroyka and maybe Elzin failed to destroy Soviet regime.And Sorry Trotsky was a killer.Remember his famouse order to kill every Soviet deserters and create of the establishment of detachments.
Stalin56789 10:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Pro-China?[]
A computer found in Lonesome Road contains an e-mail from Commander Devlin who mentions "Kremlin Joe and their Chinko allies". As far as I know, this is one of the only instances where China and the USSR were implied to be working together in the war, not to mention stating the Chinese as mere "allies" of the USSR.
Obviously the commander himself is a parody of overblown patriotism and Red Scare but this still contradicts some of the previous things we know about Russia's involvement in the war. How to handle this? --Neakal 21:03, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Is it stated anywhere that the USSR is particularly anti-China? Also, this could be just a perceived alliance, based on his own speculation, or a conspiracy theory. - Redmess (talk) 23:53, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
In Real life China and the USSR were allied until the 1960s, and they actually fought a couple of short yet bloody border wars against each other.
I started a new game of Fallout 4 today, and Codsworth starts talking about the "Red Menace" in one conversation tree, and if questioned, he talked about the "Red Menace of the Russians and Chinese". To me this is implying that while China was America's chief enemy in the resource wars, the Americans likely viewed the Soviets as an ideological enemy as well.
This part is just conjecture, but the Soviets and Chinese, were both communist powers and it's likely that the USSR played a more antagonistic role towards Europe, rather than America like it did in the real timeline Kastrenzo (talk) 05:42, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
Ivan Bullykov?[]
I removed the mention of a character called Ivan Bullykov as being noteworthy, as the person who added it didn't recognize that character as a joke in a terminal entry... or maybe they did.--The Ever Ruler 16:20, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
- It was also a generic reference to Russian spies, similar to "John Doe." - Redmess (talk) 23:54, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
Fallout: Mad in Russia project[]
On the russian alternative history community, the FAI, there are fan-developed project called "Fallout: Mad in Russia" The purpose of this project - to present the logical model of the Soviet Union history in the Fallout Universe: before the Great War, as well as what appeared in the former Soviet Union wastelands after it.
The following provisions were used:
- The Soviet Union lost the "space race" in 1962, and was unable to take revenge in the lunar race. The "Cosmic popularity" of socialism did not happen.
- Already in the 1970th, China has become a more radical position itself as a leader of the world socialist movement
- In the 1980s in the Soviet Union there was a crisis, culminating in the likeness of the "Perestroyka". The communist regime has survived, but the economy of the USSR suffered a severe shock, and (along with a more aggressive U.S. position in the world of Fallout) to the 2000th of the USSR finally lost to second place in the world to China.
- The Soviet Union was not involved in resource wars, its command economy enabled him to survive the global fuel crisis 2050th relatively easier. However, due to the high costs of maintaining the economy, the Soviet military power has been significantly reduced.
- In 2062, in preparation for a decisive confrontation with the United States, China invaded Siberia and the Far East. The Soviet army was not able to provide significant resistance and was retreated over the Baikal.
- Up to 2067 an open confrontation between the USSR and China was not conducted. China does not considered seriously the USSR as a threat , and the Soviet Union no risk to enter the full-scale war.
- In 2067 after making sure that the main force of China are connected by the war with the United States, the Soviet Union entered the war, trying to Siberia and the Far East. Relations between the U.S. and the USSR have improved somewhat, but a genuine union did not exist.
- - United States provided some help by sending to the front sibirysky Expeditionary Force, and providing for the Soviet Army a simplified version of Power Armor T-45е (Export)
- By 2077 the Soviet Union returned the territory to the borders of Mongolia, providing the U.S. an opportunity to start the Gobi campaign
Dukov[]
Where is it said that Durkov came from Russia? How is this even possibe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.213.5.239 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
- You're right, this is baseless speculation and has been removed.
Limmiegirl
Talk! ♪ 17:34, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
- Dukov's page mentions him being a russian, dunno where it's from, I image it's from the strategy guide. Richie9999 (talk) 17:41, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
- The reference only stands for his age though. I'll try to get in touch with someone who has the guide to make a confirmation on his nationality.
Limmiegirl Talk! ♪ 20:00, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
- Dukov's page mentions him being a russian, dunno where it's from, I image it's from the strategy guide. Richie9999 (talk) 17:41, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
That's all I really found unless there's a seperate NPC section. The guide is a major pain in the ass to search through. Great Mara (talk) 20:54, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
Irl info[]
The irl information regarding the USSR was agreed to be removed in the Discord server in September 17, 2018.
Dragão Carmesim 
20:24, September 18, 2018 (UTC)
- That's a bit blunt. Let me elaborate. The decision to remove the content was made because most of the (removed) content on the page was not related to the Fallout universe. Furthermore, the content saw regular edits back and forth about the correct terminology, without it actually improving the article (arguably). While it might be useful to have some background information to show when the divergence occurred, I think the information should be kept as short as possible.
- FDekker talk 18:21, September 20, 2018 (UTC)
Russia?[]
The fact that it was still the Soviet Union in 2077 is pretty important to the whole 'Cold War never ended' vibe of Fallout. Even if a lot of the references say Russia, shouldn't the page be kept as USSR or Soviet Union? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Byzant (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
- The decision was made based on what is in the games. The name Russia is more frequently used than Soviet Union by a wide margin, so the page is now Russia. Soviet Union is used very little (and almost never in full - Soviet on its own is more common) in the games, which is the reasoning. Aiden4017 (talk) 07:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but I think it should be made obvious in the description that it was still the Soviet Union when the Great War happened. That's both important to the backstory and basically the only solid information we have about Fallout's Russia. Byzant (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- We don't know if that is case, though. If there is an in-game reference, feel free to add it, but as far as I know, we don't know what the Soviet Union was in the Fallout universe, if it dissolved, or if it didn't. We just don't know at this point. -
kdarrow take her for a spin! 03:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Fallout 1 has the Soviet Consulate still existing in LA when the bombs fell, and Fallout 4 mentions the USSR in the Switchboard logs, both of which are already listed on the page. We definitely don't know much, but it's clear the USSR was still around by 2077. Byzant (talk) 04:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- For Fallout, it doesn't say that the consulate still stood when the bombs dropped, it is only stated that Natalia's great-grandfather worked for the Soviet Consulate.
- For Fallout 4, the Switchboard terminal entry refers to a "USSR China attack scenario" in 2067 - if anything, that means that the USSR was considered a potential threat by 2067, everything else, e.g. saying the USSR was definitely around by 2077, is just speculative.
- –Findabair
The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 06:56, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- It says her grandparent was "a Russian diplomat who worked at the Soviet Consulate in Los Angeles", which would be the timeframe of the war. Codsworth says the Russians are communist, Lou says Lev is a Soviet in Fallout 76...I think it's cutting things too harshly to go "yes, the USSR still existed in 2067 BUT-" when almost every mention of Russia outright says that it's Soviet Russia. Or was, before it got nuked. Byzant (talk) 15:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- Fallout 1 has the Soviet Consulate still existing in LA when the bombs fell, and Fallout 4 mentions the USSR in the Switchboard logs, both of which are already listed on the page. We definitely don't know much, but it's clear the USSR was still around by 2077. Byzant (talk) 04:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- We don't know if that is case, though. If there is an in-game reference, feel free to add it, but as far as I know, we don't know what the Soviet Union was in the Fallout universe, if it dissolved, or if it didn't. We just don't know at this point. -
- Fair enough, but I think it should be made obvious in the description that it was still the Soviet Union when the Great War happened. That's both important to the backstory and basically the only solid information we have about Fallout's Russia. Byzant (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
