Talk: State

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District of Columbia[]

Would mentions of the District of Columbia fit in on tbis page? They're are all out of game sources, but a lot of the information around the Commonwealths refer to the District as a state, or at least on par with them. I'm not that familiar with the District's IRL status (I know it's not a state, and that's about it), but at least in these sources it seems likely it had statehood in Fallout's timeline. Aiden4017 (talk) 08:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

You are right that D.C. is a strange one and normally I would say sure, the more the merrier. This page is a wee bit different, referenced with in-game mentions only, at least right now. The goal was to determine if each state has representation in mainline games, but I suppose it depends on what sources you are thinking. Game guides? -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 08:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

The only references I can find are from J.E. Sawyer's Fallout Role-Playing Game, which doesn't explicitly say it had statehood just lists it alongside the other states in its breakdown of the commonwealths, but the Fallout 3 game guide Tour of the Capital Wasteland page is missing the regional overview of Washington D.C. proper. The District is mentioned a lot in Fallout 3, but nothing really on its statehood. Probably not worth it then. Aiden4017 (talk) 09:13, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't use JES as refs on other articles, I think the anomaly being the Commonwealths page. I like your idea though for the game guide though, I am going to do a deeper dive and see if I can't find something more substantive in xTranslate or maybe GOTY edition? Stay tuned :D -kdarrow ^{take her for a spin!} 09:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

NCR states[]

So the page talks about the NCR and State of Utobitha in the intro (to be honest I don't see why SoU is included, it's using state in the same sense as republic in the Republic of Dave). So should we also include mentions of these on the page? At the least, mentions of the 5 states that form the NCR would fit. Aiden4017 (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it would make sense. This page is about pre-war states, and the NCR mention seems to be to highlight the post-war references to pre-war entities. However, I do agree that it doesn't make sense to reference SoU on this page. It's not a post-war reference to a pre-war state.

intrepid3597/16/24 [5:19am]

I agree with you both, I removed them. kateaminer ^{take her for a spin!} 11:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

NCR and California[]

I think we should note when a reference is post-war, because many people use California to mean the land that the NCR controls and not really as the former state. There are more than few bullet points that use people mentioning California this or that, but the sources are from New California/NCR.

Some solutions for this could cutting the mentions entirely and moving them to the New California page or making a separate section about the post-war meaning of California to people in the west and from the NCR and moving the references to underneath there and having a main article linking to New California. Devastating Dave^{ZIP ZAP RAP} 04:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on which bullet points you mean? And who are many people? I only see the prizefighter description as being controversial, as "Northern California" is a post-War term imho, all others should be fine. –Findabair^{The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful.} 10:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't think the references need differentiating. We don't know if New California encompasses the entirely of pre-War state, so when Halford says he is returning to California, for example, we don't know if the location he is returning to is in New California. The main description of the article overall says "Mentions of states by name from both pre- and post-War within canon games are listed below alphabetically" so I think how we have it now is sufficient for the scope of the article. - kateaminer ^{take her for a spin!} 11:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Split[]

I'm against splitting this page. While some states like California have enough mentions that the could stand alone, most states do not have enough mentions to do so. While it is a particularly unwieldy overview, I don't see a better way to format it. While it could be done on an as mentioned basis, the page often becomes a reference point for fan fiction writers wanting to know what lore there is for an area they're interested in writing for, and having one page to refer them to is quite helpful. Besides, pages like "Florida is one of the states that was part of the union of the United States of America, and is mentioned by a bartender as the location Paladin Rahmani allegedly performed a trapeze act." or "Delaware is a one of the states that was part of the union of the United States of America, but has not been mentioned in a game to date." wouldn't really work. Aiden4017 (talk) 11:31, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I really wanted to split this page before I left, but now I could really have it either way. However, there's really not a question of whether they can stand alone, just look at many of the mentioned-only content pages. Hell, we have pages like Broccoli and Tri-Hydrox-Dioxide, so it's not like states can't receive the same treatment. Though you are right, they do have a serious risk of ending up very same-y. Regarding the states without mentions, they wouldn't be made into pages, probably just kept on this overview page. And as for people looking for info, why would splitting the page change anything? I bet most people are already searching by the states' names, and if this page becomes an overview, it retains all of the functionality with none of the bloat. 18:05, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

That was the intention, yeah. The page is incredibly unwieldy at this stage. Тагазиэль 18:53, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

So, reviving the discussion a bit, maybe I should just do a draft and show what I intend? Тагазиэль 13:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Was just thinking that nothing ever came of this conversation a few hours ago. I'd say go for it, but maybe ask on the Discord if you're unsure. 20:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)