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General things[]
- May be template for JM Fallout PnP coul be useful (I have reffered it at Scrapheap article also).
- Second useful template can be section stub, Wikipedia has one (some ideas are more proper for filling a section, then whole article, article structure with stub sections can be helpful also).
Dotz 08:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Revision's[]
Second paragraph needs a lot of TLC. Argod 21:17, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hotels?[]
Shouldn't the numerous hotels found in the game be mentioned here? The Yoshiman 97 19:49, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Probably. Want to add a list? Nitty Tok. 19:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
- No! See my post below --The Bart 07:10, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
The King's[]
Can someone make an article about the Elvis based
place that appears in 1:10 of the most rcent trailer
The King's[]
Can someone make an article about the Elvis based
place that appears in 1:10 of the most rcent trailer
its appart of freeside not the strip
Needs disambiguation badly![]
People are confused, as I were, but this article needs a disambiguation to this page! http://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Strip --The Bart 07:09, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
Gramatical error in the fist paragraph.[]
I noticed a grammatical error in the first paragraph and I am unable to edit the page.
The line says "The city itself is walled off by the tattered remains of billboards, which makes access the city difficult." I propose placing a "to" between "access" and "the"
If this was to happen it would read as "The city itself is walled off by the tattered remains of billboards, which makes access to the city difficult."
--PinPinIre 16:40, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
New quote[]
We should add the quote on the back of the box art: Welcome to Vegas, New Vegas It just seems like something to put for the small quote on the top of the page.--Blahmarrow 00:49, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Merge with faction page?[]
Why should the location page be merged with the faction one?--Ant2242 (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm just blind but I didn't immediately realize that one was supposed to be a faction page and the other was supposed to be a location page, they seem at a glance to be covering almost the same information under different names. The fact that neither one links to or mentions the other doesn't help. IMO this isn't a situation like The Institute vs The Institute (location) -- there, you have a situation where the faction shares a name with its headquarters, which is treated by the game as a singular location, and is also the sole location they inhabit.
- By contrast "New Vegas" and "the FEZNV" are both broad terms referring to multiple distinct in-game "locations": Freeside, Westside, North Vegas, and the Strip are all considered their own in-gameplay "locations" (not to mention considered lorewise to be distinct settlements/districts) that are part of the larger "region" and "faction" of New Vegas / The Free Economic Zone of New Vegas. There isn't a singular "New Vegas" map marker or "New Vegas" worldspace/"interior" cell - "New Vegas" is just a general shorthand term for a) that entire part of the map and B) the city-state ("faction") that is the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas.
- I hope that makes sense and conveys my point that the two pages seem redundant. DirtyBlue929 (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Actually I should clarify more. I feel like for our purposes "the city of New Vegas" (which is not a "location" as defined by gameplay but a general area of the explorable world) and "the government called the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas" don't really need to be separate articles, since there's no real confusion that could be caused by merging them IMO? People will come here looking for lore and gameplay information on "New Vegas" and having that divided between two articles purely based on the semantics that the government/"faction" is not the same as the city/"location" feels a bit pointless, and may even make things unnecessarily difficult.
- As I noted until I put up a merge proposal neither of these articles linked to one another; the "New Vegas" page never even mentioned the words "Free Economic Zone". Neither exists in gameplay terms, they're purely in-lore designations for the city, and in-lore seem to be treated as interchangeably referring to the same thing. New Vegas is the "city", the FEZNV is the "state". And as a city-state, these are functionally the same entity, AFAIK and IMO. --DirtyBlue929 (talk) 19:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- I can see that, although I think it's more a problem with how the pages are written currently. I think having the separate location page, but moving most of the information about the FEZ to its page (with a main page template redirecting to it) would work better. Not everything about the FEZ is relevant to New Vegas, and vice versa. Besides, if I'm honest we give the FEZ a bit too much credit - even in the best case ending, it only directly controls the Strip and Freeside, the rest of Vegas seems outside its control. Aiden4017 (talk) 01:28, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Aiden, the basic idea was to separate the two for a simple reason: New Vegas is far more than House and his tyranny, and by separating them we can use the base New Vegas page to also note the different factions, power struggles, and differing aims, without conflating New Vegas with its jumped-up overlord. The pages need to be updated, of course, to note this. Тагазиэль 07:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree with Aiden and Tag, just make sure that you guys take your time with any information transfers between the pages and be careful that we don’t lose anything good. Though it’s not a perfect article, FEZNV is a pretty damn good compilation of information related to House’s unique geopolitical situation, so I’m just a tad hesitant to see any major shakeups, especially after what happened to it last time.The Greatest Savior (talk) 08:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Aiden, the basic idea was to separate the two for a simple reason: New Vegas is far more than House and his tyranny, and by separating them we can use the base New Vegas page to also note the different factions, power struggles, and differing aims, without conflating New Vegas with its jumped-up overlord. The pages need to be updated, of course, to note this. Тагазиэль 07:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm with Aiden, Tag, and DJ. I don't see the reasoning for this. Looking as wikipedia as an example, the city of Singapore is not also about the government that runs it despite being a city-state (Republic of Singapore and the Government of Singapore). It's just setting us up for more work in the future if New Vegas is ever visited again and in either scenario it is or isn't run by House. I'd also prefer to keep these separate because it lets us go more into the politics House is involved in on the FEZ-NV page than the simple New Vegas page that has to touch on everything about the city. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 08:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- These are all solid points in favor of just reviewing and revising both pages, thank you. Thinking about it, do we have any actual sources about the FEZNV actually currently existing in the game's events? As I recall it's only mentioned in the very last scenes of the House ending, where General Oliver reacts to it with confusion ("What is this? 'The Free Economic Zone of New Vegas'... What the hell does that mean?!"), as though this is the first time it's ever been proposed. Is it possible that the FEZNV is just what House plans to establish after Hoover Dam, and as of the game's events he's simply dealing with the NCR on paper as "CEO of the Strip" as he styles himself? In that case there would still be a solid argument to be made for moving a lot of content from there over to this page; albeit modified to reflect the actual state of affairs and indicate that the "city of New Vegas" isn't exactly a formal state at the moment. -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
- ... Can't help but find it a bit humorous that discussion ground to a halt after I pointed out that we may be wrong about the FEZNV even existing prior to the House ending, lmao. I'll dig for additional sources on it but if it truly is an entity that doesn't get formed until after House's final quest, should we go ahead with the merge and relegate the FEZNV to a mention as a state that can potentially form out of New Vegas? -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 22:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- These are all solid points in favor of just reviewing and revising both pages, thank you. Thinking about it, do we have any actual sources about the FEZNV actually currently existing in the game's events? As I recall it's only mentioned in the very last scenes of the House ending, where General Oliver reacts to it with confusion ("What is this? 'The Free Economic Zone of New Vegas'... What the hell does that mean?!"), as though this is the first time it's ever been proposed. Is it possible that the FEZNV is just what House plans to establish after Hoover Dam, and as of the game's events he's simply dealing with the NCR on paper as "CEO of the Strip" as he styles himself? In that case there would still be a solid argument to be made for moving a lot of content from there over to this page; albeit modified to reflect the actual state of affairs and indicate that the "city of New Vegas" isn't exactly a formal state at the moment. -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
It's been pointed out by several people that New Vegas is the city and FEZNV is essentially the government/faction that operates out of New Vegas. They are not the same thing and should not merged (and the information for both justify separate articles). There is no good reason to do it and I'm p sure everyone who's commented still disagree on the merge. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 23:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Dave, there is a massive difference between the two and to merge them would be a disservice to both the information and to the readers. The Greatest Savior (talk) 00:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's not my point. My point is that I'm seeing a strong indication from its solitary mention in the game that the FEZNV doesn't exist outside of one specific ending of the game. That would mean that nearly all of the contents of that page are attributing aspects of House's governance of the city of New Vegas during and prior to the events of the game to a political entity that, by my understanding of the two times it comes up, he doesn't even get around to properly establishing until the after the screen cuts to black in the final quest, and even then only in one of the four endings. It would be like having an article for the State of Vegas the NCR creates in their ending that acts as though it's the current governing body of the region during the game's events. -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 00:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- The implication is not that House just invents the FEZNV at the end, it’s that it’s the operation he’s been running the entire time. The Greatest Savior (talk) 00:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Except as I directly quoted, General Oliver legitimately has never even heard of it, which suggests that up until that point the NCR had been dealing with House in an entirely different capacity. This isn't a case of them refusing to recognize the FEZNV until House forces them to, this is a case of House not even declaring the existence of a "Free Economic Zone of New Vegas" to the world until Hoover Dam. -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 00:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- The implication is not that House just invents the FEZNV at the end, it’s that it’s the operation he’s been running the entire time. The Greatest Savior (talk) 00:21, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's not my point. My point is that I'm seeing a strong indication from its solitary mention in the game that the FEZNV doesn't exist outside of one specific ending of the game. That would mean that nearly all of the contents of that page are attributing aspects of House's governance of the city of New Vegas during and prior to the events of the game to a political entity that, by my understanding of the two times it comes up, he doesn't even get around to properly establishing until the after the screen cuts to black in the final quest, and even then only in one of the four endings. It would be like having an article for the State of Vegas the NCR creates in their ending that acts as though it's the current governing body of the region during the game's events. -- DirtyBlue929 (talk) 00:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- This is effectively what House is doing throughout the entire game, he just hasn't announced the statehood. By all accounts, the FEZNV essentially exists in practice in every other way. The fact it's only given a name in one of the endings does not matter. If you want to put this into perspective, many countries and other bodies have history before they officially formed and named, the US with the colonial period for example. I still disagree and do not want these pages merged. Vegas does become a state in the NCR endings, but it is effectively an occupied territory throughout the game and acts as a warzone instead of an regional body. But I'm not stopping you from making the State of Vegas page as we already do cover possible endings factions, like the Steel Plague. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 00:34, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm with Blue on this. Everything up to that point had been negotiated with House as an individual, not the FEZ, hell not even the city of Vegas. While the FEZ is House's big play and end goal, it doesn't mean that it retroactively exists. I said it above, but I think that people give the FEZ and House too much credit. Aiden4017 (talk) 05:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)