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Quote from sp614x

Definitely, but maybe _H or _I.
Compatibility with MCE is next in the list after the HD bugs and HD fonts.

Thanks... I've got about 26 mods (including a couple of Tier 2 mods like IndustrialCraft and PlasticCraft), and the amount of lag is nearly unbearable sometimes. Yesterday, it was down to an average of 8fps on minimum graphics settings (but seems to be doing okay today). The only real constant is that I lose 5fps during rain, probably because of FiniteLiquid causing massive chunk updates with falling water blocks... *unpauses game and sees outside my house is flooded* ...that seems to happen even when paused??? Okay, got a few bugs to report to the FiniteLiquid creator...

Quote from Chevan

What is the problem with Advanced OpenGL that it halves FPS on ATI cards?

Say wha? (That could explain why I barely top 40fps on vanilla. ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 graphics card. But mods or not, Advanced OpenGL on and off has barely a 2fps difference most of the time.)

Any chances of you adding a Double the view of far mod into this?

Thanks for the mod though, i can play on LB Photo realism x128 with no lag. :biggrin.gif:

Quick question that i'll probably figure out before a response but do custom items appear with F?

Quote from Chevan

What is the problem with Advanced OpenGL that it halves FPS on ATI cards?

It needs hardware support. If the hardware implementation is not efficient enough then the FPS suffers.

Quote from IronWaffle

I love you.

*edit* umm where does it autosave to?

It uses the normal autosave of minecraft.
But instead of saving every 2 sec (default) which causes the LagSpikeOfDeath, it can be configured to save every 30 min.

Quote from DJPorterNZ

One small point, using Misa 64x64 texture pack but all MODLoader textures seem to be down-sampled to 16x16 (using custom 64x textures for Millenaire MOD items)
All other Misa textures are rendered as expected.

This is caused by ModLoader which creates the dynamic textures as x16 even when a HD texture pack is used.
Afterwards OptiFog has to upscale them to the correct resolution.

I Love the mip-mapping.
Mip-Map Off

Mip-Map On.

Quote from Chevan

I seriously doubt that my HD4850 hasn't support for Occlusion Culling. Anyway OptiFog doesn't report OC as unavailable (like fancy fog)
This is still beta, it has bugs and this is one of them.
In my opinion, OC should even TRIPLE FPS. Why? Debug info says that it hides sometimes almost 95% of all chunks (1000 rendered vs 200 or even 10 rendered), which means a lot of triangles less to process.
Like Notch said, it still has bugs and needs to be tweaked and fixed so it can work on all GPUs correctly.

ATI HD4850 most probably supports OC. The ATI HD4250 supports it, but OC has only small positive effect for it.
On an NVidia 5600 using OC doubles the FPS.

The OC effect on FPS is depending on many factors:
- OC itself has a cost, for every chunk the bounding box has to be rendered and the GPU has to count how many pixels were visible. The results then have to be transferred back to the CPU. This is additional work for the GPU and needs transfer bandwidth.
- Modern GPU-s try to detect invisible geometry as early as possible to avoid doing unnecessary work. This minimizes the OC effect.
- Whether the GPU is vertex or pixel limited. More info about the graphic pipeline performance: http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems/gpugems_ch28.html.

If the gains from removing the hidden geometry are bigger than the OC overhead then the FPS may increase.
If the GPU is pixel limited then lowering the number of processed vertices with OC should have minimal effect on the rendering speed and the additional OC overhead may even bring the FPS down.

More OC information here: http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems/gpugems_ch29.html. Quote:
"We need to account for the CPU overhead incurred when we send rendering requests to the GPU. If an object is easy to render, then it may be cheaper to simply render it than to draw the bounding box and perform the occlusion test. For example, rendering 12 triangles (a bounding box) and rendering around 200 triangles (or more!) takes almost the same time on today's GPUs. The CPU is the one that takes most of the time just by preparing the objects for rendering."

Notch's current problem with OC is that it shows visual artifacts like tearing on screen edges and briefly flashing regions. OptiFog uses a conservative OC approach which is slightly slower, but eliminates almost all visual artifacts.

Any chance of getting a version of the lagspike fix for MCE?

Quote from Jason Dayspring

Any chance of getting a version of the lagspike fix for MCE?

He's already answered that question.
Read some posts above you.

All in all, this earns nothing but my support and delight. But the Bettergrass tweak still seems like it needs a little work/help.
Unless I missed something and that's how it's supposed to look? I haven't had it working in a while, so perhaps memory has just escaped me.

I have a gtx 460 and a 1055t at 3.3 and I lose performance with smooth fps and oc but still playable :tongue.gif:

It seems that running Ubuntu massively increases performance.

I'm using LB Photo Realism x128 on far rendering distance, no lag here. Debug mode is not needed when using Ubuntu.

Quote from Razeredge

It seems that running Ubuntu massively increases performance.

I'm using LB Photo Realism x128 on far rendering distance, no lag here. Debug mode is not needed when using Ubuntu.

However, there is one annoying bug with playing Minecraft, even vanilla, on any Linux distro: the game loses mouse focus for about a frame every click, causing button-release issues. The wiki says to get a newer version of LWJGL than what Minecraft comes with.

Other than that, it is supposed to run very well in Ubuntu (haven't had time to play around with a Wubi install lately, so I don't know for sure), mainly because the OS overhead is less than in Windows.

I got a error when using this OptiFog and Optimine F_HD and Better Than Wolves ( i installed only these two, trying to find out which was crash my minecraft..)
Here's the error:
java.lang.IllegalAccessError: tried to access field ct.b from class FCRenderMovingAnchor
at FCRenderMovingAnchor.a(Unknown Source)
at tc.a(tc.java:126)
at tc.a(tc.java:120)
at m.a(RenderGlobal.java:350)
at pt.a(EntityRenderer.java:717)
at pt.b(EntityRenderer.java:521)
at EntityRendererProxy.b(EntityRendererProxy.java:15)
at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(SourceFile:743)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
--- END ERROR REPORT a736877d -
It was working fine yesterday, i don't know what happened...

It seems Modloader and Optimine-Optifog share ct.class and another I cannot remember. Could someone tell me how to stop this conflict?

Can you change "Load Far" to "Preload" with the options of short, normal, and far? My Minecraft normally crashes before the entire far distance can load.

Quote from WackoMcGoose

However, there is one annoying bug with playing Minecraft, even vanilla, on any Linux distro: the game loses mouse focus for about a frame every click, causing button-release issues. The wiki says to get a newer version of LWJGL than what Minecraft comes with.

Other than that, it is supposed to run very well in Ubuntu (haven't had time to play around with a Wubi install lately, so I don't know for sure), mainly because the OS overhead is less than in Windows.

Yeah, I noticed that. It doesn't seem like too big a deal at the moment. It runs very well, other then that.

Quote from Miner_13

I'm using Modloader withough the kr.class and Optifog F_HD without the ct.class. No crashes, but i'm trying to figure out which feature was sacrificed from Optifog...

You should install modloader first and then optifog on top. They are supposed to be compatible and I haven't had any problems. There must be some if mod loader is installed statement to hook into modloader code inside optifog or something.

Quote from Miner_13

That's what I did first, and CTM with a bunch of other new mod blocks i have showed up invisible.

And you are using F? I had that problem with D or E but it was fixed in F. Everything worked fine it just didn't show up.