Changes: Minecraft Wiki:Moving from Fandom/First discussion

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This page serves to begin a discussion which will decide whether or not the English Minecraft Wiki will fork from Fandom, and if so, where it should fork to.

It is requested that all editors discuss and give opinions on this matter, as it is a drastic change for the Minecraft Wiki and will affect all editors and readers in some way or another.

Overview

The Minecraft Wiki is discussing forking to another host due to various discontents with the situation on Fandom, including the reader experience, actions taken by Fandom, and reputation of the wiki in the wider Minecraft community from being on this platform. As the forking process involves leaving the existing wiki up and essentially creating a new copy of the wiki with the same content and editor-base, there are significant considerations that need to be taken into account. Please see the first message in this community portal discussion for a more complete list of arguments and concerns related to forking.

There are three alternative options that are being considered. One is wiki.gg, a wiki farm run by former Gamepedia staff members hosting some gaming wikis such as Terraria. There are also two semi-independent hosts: the host of Bulbapedia/Bulbagarden, and ABXY (host of several wikis including Inkipedia, StrategyWiki and Zelda Wiki). In the latter cases, a separate entity manages backend tasks including hosting and finances (e.g. negotiating with advertisers), but leaves the wiki on its own in other regards. This gives greater independence than being on a wiki farm (e.g. greater leeway to customize the wiki skin), while putting more responsibilities on community members as opposed to sharing it with the staff of a wiki farm, but not nearly as much as if the wiki were to host itself.

See Minecraft Wiki:Wiki host comparison for a detailed comparison between the various hosts. It's also encouraged to visit wikis hosted by the three host options, in order to gain a fuller sense of how advertisements are organized, as well as to get a rough idea of how the wikis function under the respective host:

Note that this discussion only applies to the English wiki. Other language wikis do not necessarily have to move with the English wiki; some have opted to remain on Fandom or fork at a later date. According to a Senior Community Manager at Fandom, language wikis that do not fork will be allowed to point their interwikis towards the forked anglophone wiki.

Before discussing

Before participating, please read the following two pages (also linked above) to get important background information and be able to form an informed opinion:

Community portal#Move to a different wiki host? - the first message in this community portal topic details the reasons behind why forking the wiki is being considered
Host comparison page - this page details the many differences between the four hosting options available, it is essential to read if you wish to decide where you think the Minecraft Wiki should fork to

In the #Discussion section below, please rank each host option from in order of preference and give your reasoning in the format shown below:

# <previous response>
# {{subst:Vote|Rank #1|Rank #2|Rank #3|Rank #4}} – <reasoning> ~~~~

You may also rank multiple options equally or leave out options.

Both the votes and the arguments given will be factored into the final decision. The vote you give should be representative of your own opinion on the matter, and not the general opinion of an entire language wiki.

For additional comments that do not directly express a vote, such as clarification questions, please use the #Additional comments section.

This discussion will be closed two weeks from the discussion's start date, on July 17, 2023. If the discussion still has active participants near the end of these two weeks, the duration of the discussion will be extended by one week, closing on July 24, 2023 instead.

Discussion

This is the main "voting" section. Both the votes and the supporting arguments will be taken into account.

Wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Anything that isnt Fandom - I Support a move from Fandom. Its just because of ads. Dealing with ads is getting harder and harder, especially on Fandom, it's boring to have so many ads popping up while you're on an article. Fandom is unusable unless you use an Ad Blocker. I propose to move to something else. Lukah_F
ABXY Bulba Fandom wiki.gg - I Support an eventual move. No notifications in wiki.gg is an immediate blocker. Anon editing will help with wiki interaction. MetalManiacMc, French Minecraft Wiki Administrator 18:34, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom - For me, the lack of notifs isn't that much of deal. Most of the messages I had received with Echo were useless, however I agree some may see it from a different POV. Bulba has more ads than Fandom. I mean, one of the biggest responses from the community was how Fandom has so many ads and I cannot imagine that we would come and say "Well, have even more ads". Additionally, we won't get anon editing and we will also take legal responsibility for actions we (as a community will do). ABXY does not have cookie notice, which is recipe for disaster. Once we would raise awareness, we would be in some legal trouble. Additionally, it lacks widgets extension, which would require even more time to perform the fork. And ads are shown to logged in too, which is not such a huge problem overall, but could be a pain point too. TreeIsLife (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- After some explanation about the "above the infobox" ad from ABXY, I changed my vote to the way it has been originally. Additionally, lack of notifs on wiki.gg is no longer an issue --TreeIsLife (talk)
Fandom N/A N/A N/A – I do not support forking simply because having two similar wikis on different platforms is disastrous, especially when the most known and visible one is out of date (Fandom if we move). For most non EN wikis the editor base is really small and one-time editors will likely edit the Fandom one. And it would bring so much work and so many issues that I don't find it worth it. Fusion thermonucleaire (talk) 19:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom - Agreed with TreeIsLife, the ads on Bulba are excessive and the lack of the cookie notice in ABXY is concerning. Personally I'm not affected by the lack of notifications. Overall I Support the move to any host other than Fandom.--Capopanzo (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom - I also agree with TreeIsLife, I do not like many ads on websites and also I never really use notifications so the lack of notifs doesn't affect me. PotatoMan3525463 (talk) 19:12, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Fandom Bulba – wiki.gg is planning on adding notifications soon so the loss of notifications would most likely be temporary and I agree not having a cookie notice is pretty concerning. BayYouGoon (talk) 19:17, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Support forking (preferred options: ABXY and wiki.gg, approximately on the same level) — Frankly, my vote would not fit into a strict "1 better than 2, 2 better than 3, 3 better than 4" scheme that Template:Vote mandates (and it doesn't even support less than four options that easily). I have never edited Bulbapedia and ABXY wikis. My user experience is skewed by always having my trusty ad blocker enabled (and I don't feel like disabling it just to find out how terrible ads are on Fandom or anywhere else). I already have some experience on wiki.gg as a Terraria Wiki editor, but it's nowhere as extensive as on the Minecraft Wiki, so I'm not well knowledgable about the issues that specific host has (I do happen to follow notifications on MCW, however, which are reportedly lacking on wiki.gg). But I do think that under Fandom, things have taken a turn for the worse for our wiki, and I support forking all the way for both English and Russian wikis simultaneously. If we keep sustaining the efforts to maintain our projects' state of quality and public profile, I think we could go over the inevitable split that is entirely Fandom's fault. Out of semi-independent hosts, I guess we could give ABXY a try; while lack of widget support and the cookie issue are fair concerns, I am optimistic that they could be resolved or worked around, sooner or later. Regardless, wherever the community chooses to move (or stay), I will follow. — Babylon AS 19:36, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulba Fandom – I'd support a move away from Fandom. A lack of cookie notice is pretty concerning, but I think the positives outweigh the negatives in that case. Not having many ads on websites is also a big deal to me, so I'd support not having as many. Osfanbuff63 (talk) 19:38, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom - I personally greatly value the prospect of being independent, something which cannot be attained under a wiki farm such as wiki.gg. Being independent and free to completely customise and run the wiki the way we please, while not having to worry about legal issues and monetisation, seems like the best idea to me. I also understand that notifications will be implemented soon, but they will only be implemented because we are requesting them. I dislike this philosophy that wiki.gg holds, that of only implementing heavily requested and essential features when it encourages a wiki to fork to them, this happened with visual editor, and now with notifications. About ABXY's negatives, I don't think the lack of widgets will harm us, as FileURL can be replaced by TemplateStyles, and RadioButton can be replaced with TabberNeue or JS, as I understand this allows the sprite templates to still function perfectly well. For the cookie notice, it has been said that ABXY is working on implementing one, so any concerns about that will be made null soon. Overall, as long as we fork to somewhere other than Fandom, I'm going to be happy with the result, my preference is just with ABXY. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 19:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Fandom Bulba - It seems like Bulba would just make things even worse, but even if not, it's very unlikely to be worth the effort. The cookie notice can probably be added reasonably soon if we just ask for it and explain that it's legally required. Lack of notifications on wiki.gg is pretty significant, even though I personally barely use them on this wiki. I definitely prefer the MediaWiki software over any other one I've seen so far. Fabian42 (talk) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulba ABXY Fandom – Money plays a strong factor in wikis, the storage cost isn't free and it will cost more each month when new content gets released. To avoid costs and setting up a Patreon or Discord Subscriptions, wiki.gg is the best alternative. -- Azgoodaz (talk) 20:51, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Semi-independent hosts have deals with advertisers in the same way that wiki.gg does, advertisements will bring enough money to pay server costs no matter which host we choose. That's why this factor isn't mentioned on the host comparison page. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 21:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Anything Fandom - Anything but this horrible website. — Thomanski | t | c | 21:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Somewhere Else Fandom - I do not feel like I have the know-how to decide where this wiki should move to, but I do trust my instincts in saying that this wiki should run far, far away from Fandom. Weighing the differences between the potential hosts, I cannot come up with a good conclusion on my own, but if the option is simply "fork or no fork", I choose to fork. Independence is a value I hold deeply, and if moving away from Fandom would allow more freedoms for this wiki, I will always support it. // Shock Micro // 21:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – I vote for the eventual move, but I want to ask why Bulba was considered an option when Bulbapedia/Bulbagarden is mostly focused on Pokemon specifically and not just being a "wiki host"? Wiki.gg's worked well for the Terraria wiki, while ABXY and other NIWA-affiliated wikis have been thriving on their own, but I feel that Wiki.gg is the best because it's probably the closest to the wiki's roots of Gamepedia, and appears to allow free-er "ownership" of the wiki from the little i've gathered. Adr451 (talk) 22:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Bulba is under consideration because it offered to host the wiki when it forks. And since Bulba is a semi-independent host, it technically allows "freer ownership" than a wiki farm like Fandom or even wiki.gg. ManyOursOfFun (talk) 07:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Assuming that by "freer ownership" you mean more control over the wiki and how it functions, semi-independent hosts (ABXY, Bulba) provide much more freedom in that regard than wiki.gg does, though wiki.gg still provides more freedom than Fandom does. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 16:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Fandom N/A N/A N/A – Oppose. I don't think moving this wiki to a new website would be helpful, but it would be more destroying than you can believe. All readers of the English Minecraft Wiki are still habituate to the fandom plateform, and would always read in fandom and may not be habituate to go in the new website. Also, it would be a problem for all the fandom-foreign wikis who uses the English images, if one day the Fandom version of MCW EN is deleted. The developpers can do what they want, but I STRONGLY OPPOSE this operation. Thanks for understanding and reading my opinion. Reverse88 (talk) 22:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Fandom N/A N/A N/A – I Oppose the idea of forking the wiki because it will have a negative impact on both readers and contributors. Additionally, it will create division within the communities on both wikis, particularly affecting non-English wikis with limited active users. Even if Fandom is bad, I believe that the proposed fork is still an unfavorable solution. Ideally, a complete transition of the entire wiki, across all languages, by removing it from Fandom and redirecting it to wiki.gg would have been a better approach. Unfortunately, it appears that this option is impossible. Brandcraft06 (talk) 22:30, 3 July 2023 (UTC)# Support moving away from Fandom. I deeply regret not making an account during the Gamepedia days. Fandom is a horrible site which keeps a great distance from making contributions. SWinxy (talk) 22:59, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – Support Fandom is terrible, and anything else would be an upgrade. The constant ads (especially on mobile where I can't use an ad-blocker) as well as the intrusive sidebar make it very annoying to use the site. I don't edit here ever (I only have an account to have custom CSS to remove the previously mentioned sidebar) but I am a frequent reader, and the mobile performance of the site is terrible. I assume this is from the generous amount of ads Fandom has, but I don't know for sure. From the 3 other wiki options provided, I think wiki.gg is the best because it has the most features, and the ability to do things the others can't (I'm also very partial to the Vector 2010 skin used on the website). ABXY and Bulba are both good too, anything that isn't Fandom will be a change much appreciated. Williamist0 (talk) 22:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom - Since the discussion on the community portal I've had a slight change of heart regarding ABXY vs. Bulba, where I now have a small preference for ABXY than the latter on the basis of in-content ads (although the noises are that it's unlikely this wiki will have to deal with that, given its still-present popularity). I'll take the lack of Widgets for what it is, as solutions have been proposed such as TemplateStyles and other extensions. Regardless, they're so close together that I wouldn't mind either, as, despite the mandatory ads, they give a high degree of independence. I have that less with wiki.gg. In any case I'll take those rather than staying with Fandom, per the points raised on the comportal, especially by Frisk and Violine. DarkShadowTNT (talk) 00:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Anything Fandom - Many wiki admins sell out their community and migrate here, but I have no idea why the best-selling video game has this sort of garbage website. - Ionface (talk) 01:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Wiki.gg Fandom Bulba – I Support the fork because I think that there is a large opportunity to renew the perception of the Minecraft wiki. I place ABXY at the top because I believe it gives us the greatest opportunity for making the Minecraft wiki the best it can be. The biggest problem I can see with ABXY is the ad situation, which is better than Fandom, but not ideal. Given that specific ad negotiations still have to happen, I hope that if this option is chosen we as a community are able to push for no ads inside the content of the page, but I don't know if that is necessarily possible. The other negatives to ABXY seem to have workarounds or solutions, so I do not count them as negatively. The ad situation on Wiki.gg comparatively is much better, but that comes at a slight cost of customization. This certainly isn't the biggest factor, but I for one find the idea of a custom url for the wiki appealing - something that would be prevented on Wiki.gg (along with several other customization options). I value the independence of ABXY over Wiki.gg. On the other hand, Wiki.gg gives a boost to SEO that none of the other host options (except Fandom, obviously) would give. I say this from the standpoint of -as a general wiki reader- I had not heard of wither ABXY or Bulba before discussions started. The stability and prestige of Wiki.gg is not something to be scoffed at. Finally, the placement of Bulba and Fandom in my rankings are quite related. The ad situation on Bulba is worryingly similar to Fandom, and this added to the fact that Fandom's wiki would stay up and split the community makes me feel like Bulba is not an option that is worth it - whereas ABXY or Wiki.gg would be a net positive in my opinion. Fandom has a very bad reputation as a wiki host site, and I think forking gives us the needed opportunity to revitalize the wiki and make it better than it has been before. Ishbosheth (talk) 01:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Anything else N/A N/A Fandom – From what I've observed, a fork is probably needed, but afaik all these options have, in a sense, ads that somehow are in content (wiki.gg has a large ad on the top of at least the main page on Terraria Wiki, ABXY has in-content ads, Bulba has excessive ads), though Fandom is fixing on some of the problems that we've mentioned before, I still, personally, suspect that these small fixes would eventually not fit our needs. The only problem for anything else is that being fully independent isn't a good choice for us as I do think most of our admins has no experience on self hosting a wiki and that do not have time or money to maintain a separate server, and if we ended up like Wikipedia who, in some people's opinion, excessively asking for funding, that's not what we want. -- Lakejason0 (Talk • Contribs) 02:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Wiki.gg ABXY Fandom Bulba – There was a sense of security and stability under Gamepedia that I don't think has carried over with the migration to Fandom. After hearing that wiki.gg was created by the former management of Gamepedia, my trust for them immediately skyrocketed. I think it's not an unpopular opinion to say that Fandom does not respect their community. They've been shoving ads and pointless features in our faces since day 1. Gamepedia knew how to run a wiki farm. They kept this wiki strong for over 10 years and clearly cared a lot for the communities surrounding their wikis, and just generally had a deep connection with the communities surrounding them. And checking out wiki.gg's current wikis, this ideal still shines through. They offer the most freedom for their wikis out of the bunch, and their ads are the least intrusive of the four (ABXY has in-content ads and even ads for registered users, so that's a no for me). This is why I trust wiki.gg. Hands down, they are the only wiki farm listed here with such a deep-seated respect for their community. They get my vote and I sincerely hope they're the site this wiki goes to. -MisterSheeple (talk) 04:03, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – I am strongly in favor of forking to any other wiki platform. Fandom has been getting worse and worse lately. Fandom presents itself as more than just a wiki farm, but "not just a wiki host". Usually, with a similar trend of the company, the quality of the main activity drops, because other activities are preferred. In Fandom, this is exactly what is observed, the wiki host is becoming less and less stable, controversial innovations are being imposed, and what has been broken for a long time is not updated or deleted (for example, CursedProfile). The sea of advertising, there is an aggressive propagandistic nature of the advertising itself (for Russia). Deanonymization of age for the sake of advertising. As a result, this is no longer a wiki farm, this is an advertising platform. I vote first for wiki.gg, as I have experience of participating in the Terraria Wiki on wiki.gg (I am the administrator of the Russian-language wiki). Restricting the Vector style does not affect much, as it can be changed significantly (much worse on Fandom). Although this is a wiki farm, its main bias is, in fact, in wiki hosting. For other wiki hostings, I can't say much. Less advertising is better. Since only the English wiki is expected to be forked, I hope it succeeds and look forward to seeing both the Russian and Ukrainian wikis fork behind the English wiki. — MakandIv (кортамс|сатовск) 04:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Wiki.gg ABXY Bulba N/A - Support leaving Fandom (for any better-managed and less corporate platform, really). Fandom's actions demonstrate that it cares about profits over quality and editor freedom, to the detriment of this wiki. It's time to go. I'm confident that the team will find ways to mitigate the pain of migration. Memetics (talk) 08:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Fandom/wiki.gg/ABXY/Bulba N/A N/A N/A – Well, personally the reason I'm putting everything on the 1st place is that I'm not really a member here, I'm mostly an user who sometimes visits this place to read and to get info for the spanish wiki. I can't really say I support or oppose the fork, because I have my own set of concerns, but it's not really something I should even be voting on. I can give my support whatever you end up doing, though, and I hope the best for you --Supeika (contáctame) 14:46, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg N/A ABXY, Bulba Fandom - Support a move. I personally enjoy the wiki.gg host more than Fandom. The wider page width is a big bonus for me, displaying tables far better, and there are less ads/popups compared to Fandom. Notifications are now possible on wiki.gg for anyone who was barring this host for that reason. --Bluecrab2 (talk) 09:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg N/A N/A N/A – I'm a fellow user of the Minecraft Wiki and I greatly appreciate the work editors have put into making it intuitive to use and look excellent. However I hadn't had the best experience with Fandom. I think I'm not the only user that's not pleased with the constant pop ups, ads and Fandom page elements. Recent changes to wiki vector were also controversial and in my opinion further lowered the readability of the wiki. I'd support moving to Wiki.gg, which is already a home to gaming wikis such as Terraria. It was also the choosement of wiki I'm an admin of (Minecraft Discontinued Features). The only two ads as far as I can tell are displayed on the main page, which disappears anyway if you log in. As my fellow co-admin of the wiki mentioned above the tables look much better plus page width increases readability. Compared to Fandom edit previews are displayed over entire page and aren't broken, which I experienced here on occasional editing.
I hope the wiki will continue to successfully serve knowledge to the Minecraft community. Porktuga (talk) 09:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – It will make a huge difference to once again have a consolidated, complete and in-depth reference wiki for Minecraft on a platform that respects its admins, editors and readers. While some have concerns about Fandom results still showing up in search engines, I'd argue that having a high-quality community-run wiki as an option in the results is highly preferable to just having Fandom in the search results. Personally, I have no interest in putting time into a Fandom wiki, but I look forward to being a contributor to a possible future fork of this wiki: I'm sure many others feel the same way, and thus switching platforms could give the MCW greater reach.
Wiki.gg seems like the best option for our community, as they run a recent MW release and their wikis have a true content-first design (instead of "advertising-first"). The ability for a post-Gamepedia wiki to migrate to wiki.gg has been proven by the (official) Terraria wiki, and I can only see their SEO improving with time.
In addition, I have heard that the lack of notifications is being worked on - this shows that the team listens to users' needs and proactively dedicates time to the features that matter (instead of features that make a profit). If we want to allow IP editing I'm sure the wiki.gg team will be happy to make that config change. Other hosts may technically have more freedom, but I doubt that wiki.gg will limit our ability to continue to build a great wiki.
The issues with Fandom are well-known and have been hindering the community's ability to write about Minecraft. The sooner we move from a corporate to a cooperative platform, the better! IndieWikisFTW (talk) 18:53, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulbagarden Fandom – I am a regular user of the Minecraft Wiki, but I have never edited for the wiki itself. I did not have a Fandom account until about a couple months ago! I fully support the decision to move out of Fandom for various reasons which probably have been discussed already like excessive ads, lack of anonymous editing, and in all being a platform which seemingly does not prioritise it's users, but rather hold a monopoly over videogame wikis. Additionally, I think the concern put forward in the section below "Additional Comments" about other languages of the Minecraft Wiki is definitely valid and should be considered. I hope the community stays respectful to all communities regardless of the platform and decision taken. I think all of the options provided will definitely be objective improvements but I do have reasonings for the rankings, especially after reading the (really well written) document comparing the hosts.
I think wiki.gg will be a better option because of various reasons. I did prefer ABXY's ad policy over Bulbagarden's. ABXY's cookie policy and Bulbagarden's legal policy is definitely a concern though. Wiki.gg having tech support in different languages is a big plus to offer support to more people and having a global CDN will be great for all users in my opinion.
As far as ads ago, I think wiki.gg and ABXY's ad policy is definitely nice, but wiki.gg and Bulba providing no ads to logged in users is also appealing I think. ABXY seems to be planning that too. Bulbagarden's ads for unregistered users definitely puts me off though. Video ads are simply unacceptable for any major website. I do use an ad-blocker, but most users will definitely not be pleased. The cookie policy seems to be better compared to other hosts, but that could change in the future with other hosts catching up.
Finally, and this is purely from my experience, I think wiki.gg might have a better impact on SEO compared to the others. Terraria seemed alright for the most part in terms of SEO. I also think that a custom URL might not be that much of a big deal because they might have decreased SEO depending on the name. I am sure this differs from user to user though. Regardless of the host, I think Fandom will continue to monopolise searches for quite a while.
I do think wiki.gg has a few negatives. Lack of a mobile skin can bring serious concerns as a lot of mobile users use the wiki too, including me. I did not face major issues myself when exploring wiki.gg, but it's definitely something I hope they implement soon. It seems to be on their to-do list. Having less customisability is obviously a negative when compared to ABXY and Bulbagarden. I am not sure how much it might impact the creation of the minecraft wiki, but I do think that for the most part, their customisation policy could be enough for everything necessary, and that the other pros might outweigh the loss in customisation. That definitely depends on the needs of the wiki though!
Overall, I think wiki.gg will be a more reliable option to consider among the others. But, considering that they are independent wikis, I am sure ABXY and Bulbagarden will be awesome hosts too! Excited for the future of the wiki and hope everything goes well! Thanks for doing this fork and hosting this discussion! RetroDestroyer (talk) 19:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – Wiki.gg provides better services in Fandom in most cases except SEO. Fandom sacrificed a lot of features for SEO, such as non-logged in users' ability to see file pages. CrowdingFaun624 (talk) 02:25, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Wiki.gg Bulbapedia notch's original development pc sitting inside of a freezer – Support Overall, the MCW experience has degraded significantly since the move to Fandom. Moving to a more community-focused host like ABXY or Wiki.gg would be nice. DoopKoooper (talk) 05:21, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Fandom wiki.gg ABXY Bulba – I have used the wiki pre- and post-Fandom, and I have felt that my experience has degraded after migration, especially regarding things like the design and overall layout of each article. The other forking options, to me, look better than Fandom. There's also the McDonald's ad campaign which is certainly disquieting. I'm still a bit hesitant though. I'm a fairly new MCW editor (and wiki editor in general), and I've just gotten used to Fandom. I'm sure the shift wouldn't be so drastic, but it's still a bit of a change for me. And being inexperienced with this, I'm still not sure of what's to follow after the fork, but of course, there's always uncertainty linked with things like these. Overall, my stance is Weak support. ManyOursOfFun (talk) 09:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Fandom ABXY Bulbagarden — in general, anything. The Fandom behaves beastly towards the editors and administrators of wiki projects (the last situation with the McDonald's Wiki shows this very well). Köpleres-s-s (💭) (✍) 18:26, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – I Support the decision to migrate to another platform, and in my opinion, Wiki.gg seems like the best choice. I have observed that Wiki.gg is a committed platform and very flexible when it comes to features like extensions or variables. Additionally, they have recently implemented notifications (Echo), which shows that the platform aims to keep growing. Wiki.gg's flexibility allows for extensive customization and adaptation to suit unique requirements. This adaptability ensures the ability to provide comprehensive and accurate information to users. The introduction of notifications further enhances user engagement and keeps everyone up-to-date with the latest information and developments. Considering these factors, I believe Wiki.gg is the optimal platform for Minecraft Wiki. DarkGames ^Wall ^{Contributions} 22:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulbagarden Fandom - Strong Support Fandom has really shown its true colours over the past few years, with the move to the name Fandom, the purchase of Curse LLC and all Curse LLC Media assets (excluding CurseForge) and then the move to the worst dating app related logo and colour scheme possible, Fandom is a incorporation that now only cares about making money, prioritizing advertising and brand superiority rather than what the ideals of Wikia Cities was founded on, Wikis by people for people to learn knowledge about games, comics, countries and the ability to freely edit and contribute to without the need for an account, I have first-hand experience with Fandoms crap, the renaming of wiki URLs to "prioritize SEO performance" over convenience of having a shorthand subdomain. The recent removal of Gamepedia from the Fandom/Gamepedia Discord Server name shows Fandoms priorities are eliminating all face-front brands that are now "defunct" that don't positively affect their brand name, Wikia was eliminated within weeks of migrating all Wikias to Fandom, and with Gamepedia it was only a matter of time from when they forced FandomDesktop onto Gamepedia wikis to removing extensions like Cirrus Search. Wiki.gg is run by Gamepedia staff, they know how to run a website, it was Fandoms biggest competitor because it cared about community engagement, activities, events and connecting fans with game developers/companies, Fandom did what they did best, they bent the truth about how "good" the *.fandom.com domain was for "SEO" and how important it was to move from the "legacy" *.gamepedia.com domain to benefit the future of wikis and Gamepedia, it did barely anything more to their SEO than Wikia's domain did, which actually had better metrics until Fandom neglected Wikia, which is why their "SEO comparison" chart made it look like the *.fandom.com domain was better, it wasn't. Fandom has brutally murdered and left Gamepedia out in the rain to die, Wiki.gg will be a good new home for the Minecraft Wiki, Fandom does not deserve such a thorough and great community. I have had a pleasant experience with Wiki.gg with the recent forking of the Stardew Modding Wiki which was originally a Fandom wiki, moved to Miraheze and now to Wiki.gg, they are comprised of former Gamepedia staff and fanatics which personally, is my group of people to be around, ABXY and Bulbagarden are not that commonly known, therefore I can only rank one higher than the other simply from appearances, if myself and others don't know of the two latter hosts that may say something. Aeywoo (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulbagarden Fandom - I strongly support the wiki moving platforms to one that has no editing limitations and uses the default MediaWiki theme. Eduaddad _(talk) pt.Wiki Administrator 02:00, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Rank #1 ABXY Rank #2 Bulba Rank #3 wiki.gg Rank #4 Fandom – Semi-indepency grants most control compared to wiki farms.Arceusgjengen (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom - Support - There's not a whole lot to say on the subject of the advantages of a new wiki that hasn't been said already, so I'll just say that I do think that a forked version would most likely be a positive development. That being said, there are a few minor concerns I have:
Visibility - Even though the forked Terraria wiki has had official status and more active editors for over a year, looking up pretty much any Terraria-related topics in search engines will give you the Fandom page first and the Wiki.gg page second. Most people probably just have the Fandom Minecraft wiki bookmarked and occasionally go to it to check up on new features and other specific topics and so aren't really going to be looking up "Minecraft wiki", and even if they do they're going to be directed to the old one first, regardless of how much traction the new one gets. The fact that the new wiki can't be advertised on the old one and the fact that the developers aren't going to be advertising the new one either will exacerbate the issue. So even if the new wiki is objectively better in every single way, it's still not going to be as widely used by casual players as the old one.
Content drift - Because a lot of people will be unaware of the new wiki, including editors, it's inevitable that a lot of content will get added to the old wiki that doesn't get added to the new wiki, and vice versa. So over time each wiki will become increasingly different to the point that users will likely need to use both at the same time in order to see all the available information about certain topics, unless a serious effort is made to continuously copy over every single new thing added to the old wiki and transfer it to the new one.
However, the advantages of a new wiki that isn't hosted on Fandom would definitely outweigh these problems, but even so, these problems will inevitably occur and efforts should be made to prevent them from becoming a bigger issue than they already will be. AlienAgent124 (talk) 04:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg AXBY Bulbapedia Fandom – Gamepedia felt very fresh and smooth, and wiki.gg gives the same Gamepedia feel. If Terraria can switch to wiki.gg without many problems, so can Minecraft. The Terraria wiki even has customisable themes! I'm all in favour of moving to wiki.gg and definitely moving away from Fandom. Wiki.gg will have a less distracting user experience (sidebar, I'm looking at you) and it will very much be worth it in the long run. BlueStaggo (talk) 08:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Wiki.gg Anything Else Anything Else Fandom JK Anything Else - I'm not a major contributor here, and my username pretty much confirms my thoughts on Fandom overall, but I WOULD have been contributing much more to this wiki had it not been hosted by a company that I believe profiteers heavily on the work of others. It's all well and good getting some ad revenue to support the wiki, but the amount of advertising on fandom is too far. The unaltered mobile experience of any fandom wiki is truly horrific, from autoplaying videos that are hard to close taking up nearly a third of screen real estate to the page suddenly slingshotting back to the top of the page because an ad that hadn't loaded yet was ready to be viewed, your place in the article be damned! Not to mention the absolute control fandom has over this wiki has led to some less than stellar design changes over the years. The overhaul of the design since Gamepedia has only made the viewing experience on Desktop worse, videos made by Fandom staff/production team are added without consent from the people who actually do all the heavy lifting on the wiki. Videos filled with inaccuracies, even since the days when they were Wikia. Injecting advertisements into the text body of legitimate articles. The list goes on, but dig just a little and you will find that "Fandom" aka Wikia has been running a racket and manipulating the hard work of contributors for their own financial gain. Anything else will do. Gamepediawazbetter (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY/Bulba Wiki.gg N/A Fandom - I prefer the semi-independent hosts, however if Wiki.gg wins I wouldn't be mad at all. Anything but Fandom. DEJVOSS (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Bulbagarden ABXY wiki.gg Fandom – I think that at this point anything would be better than Fandom. However, with the degree of control wiki.gg has, I'd be concerned about being put in the same situation with them after a few years. I think that both Bulbagarden and ABXY are good options, though I have more experience with Bulbagarden and they seem to be much more mature (I can't even find a dedicated website for ABXY from searching). Leo60228 (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
#1 Bulba #2 ABXY #3 Fandom #4 Wiki.gg – I believe a fan community should be run by fans, not by a faceless big corporation. I have been part of the Super Mario Wiki community since 2007 and NIWA since its founding, so my first impulse is to support moving to one of the NIWA semi-independent hosts. I do not believe Wiki.gg is a good long-term choice. Wiki.gg is another big corporate wiki farm, and the have the exact same motivations as Fandom. As corporate wiki farms grow, they either make their service worse in the hopes of squeezing out every last cent of profit, or they merge with an even biger corporate wiki farm. Though Wiki.gg's interface is currently better than Fandom's, that could very easily change:Fandom's interface used to be good back when they were smaller. The fact that Wiki.gg is similar to pre-aquicistion Gamepedia is not a point in its favor: it means Fandom will look to aquire wiki.gg. 183231bcb (talk) 21:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Fandom Bulbagarden – I believe that the wiki should fork away from Fandom. I have outlined my motivations for this already in the community portal discussion, so I don't want to repeat that here. I do however want to explain my ranking of hosts.
First of all, I unfortunately have to rank Bulbagarden below Fandom for the simple reason that the amount of ads on their wiki is worse than on Fandom. After speaking with their staff, it appears that this amount of ads might get reduced further after the wiki would fork, depending on how things go, but this is not a certainty. When the wiki would launch at Bulbagarden, it would have a comparable amount of ads as Bulbapedia does right now. This is, unfortunately, unacceptable in my opinion: especially in the first few days and weeks of the fork, we have to convince casual readers that the new place is better. This is hardly possible if the ads are even more intrusive than they are here.
However, I strongly believe that there is a lot of value in becoming more independent than before. Being part of a larger wiki farm has only caused us trouble in the past: first the move from Curse to Gamepedia, and then from Gamepedia to Fandom. I think it is important to get some continuity and better brand recognition for the wiki. For this reason I also dislike going to wiki.gg. Don't get me wrong, the services and platform they provide are great – but I do not think that going to another wiki farm is the right move. I do trust the staff at wiki.gg, but I do not trust their corporation. Gamepedia was great, and all the staff there was really averse to Fandom and their practices – yet the higher ups at Curse sold it to Fandom anyway. The same could happen to wiki.gg at some point too, and then the Minecraft Wiki would need to move again which I think we should avoid at all costs. If wiki.gg were to offer to host us on a different, separate domain, it would probably be a more viable option, but they don't.
Finally, there's ABXY. It does have its issues: in particular, it is missing a cookie banner (which is a severe legal issue), and the placement of some ads is questionable (i.e. moving info boxes). However I do believe that both of these problems are rather miniscule and can be solved for the Minecraft Wiki in the short term. So it seems like the preferable option to me by far.
At this point I'm also reconsidering if it would be worth it to persue the option of hosting the wiki ourselves. We did not really persue this possibility because, although it might be the best option from a philosophical standpoint, it would still be very hard to achieve with setting up some legal entity for handling the hard- and software of the wiki. But hard is not impossible. I think by now I would prefer going completely independent over moving to wiki.gg, even if it would require significantly more work (and also more time). | violine1101 ^(talk) 21:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg/ABXY/Bulba Fandom – MCW deserves another golden age, or at least a healthier environment. ⛏ ZV 17:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulba/Fandom – What violine said pretty much. I do see a wiki.gg fork being more successful in the short-term, but they just formed last year and there's no telling what the long run holds for the platform – JEC _talk @ 02:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulba ABXY Fandom – terraria migrated to wiki.gg and it seems to have worked out fine for them. I wonder how awesome it would be for wiki.gg to have both the terraria and minecraft wikis under its name too. Bulba/ABXY are lower because I feel that their lesser-known nature and different layout makes them slightly more alien to editors and readers, and I can't vouch for them specifically. Fandom is last, as it should be. FrozenEarth (talk) 06:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment FrozenEarth: Regarding differing layouts, just a note that on Bulba and ABXY, Minecraft Wiki can have virtually any skin and theming it wants. It would not have to look like any of the existing wikis they host; it's up to the community to determine what they want. In a way, wiki.gg is actually more restrictive since they currently only support classic Vector. That being said, wiki.gg does do a fantastic job of creating layouts and themes for new wikis. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 20:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I don't see how classic Vector being a disadvantage if Hydra looked essentially identical to Vector. I really enjoyed the Gamepedia wiki when it was using the Hydra skin. Sylphoid (talk) 21:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
  - An option of one skin is more restrictive than an option of multiple skins even if you preferred that one skin. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 21:20, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulba or Fandom N/A – I have concerns about the long-term viability of the fork due to previously mentioned issues including duplicated content and SEO, which I've also gone into more in-depth in my response to the community portal thread. Despite duplicate content killing a lot of search results, I still believe SEO will be important as we will be actively working to reduce duplicate content and add new information. I also believe that providing a good user experience will be important for user retention; i.e. the amount and placement of ads, page loading performance across different parts of the world, and the wiki's layout and design (which is probably more up to us rather than the specific host). As such, I have a preference towards larger and more well-known hosts who may have more available resources and room for scalability.

However, my concern with wiki.gg is towards their business model of only showing in-house ads and getting revenue from their own games. They also have ads for a few third-parties but don't get any direct revenue from them. There's incentive in running the wikis and increasing traffic to them to drive clicks to the games, but I'm not sure how it compares to hosting costs and how sustainable it is long-term, as it relies on new games and new users to drive revenue. I would otherwise believe the risk of getting sold off to be lower then it had been than Curse/Gamepedia, as wiki.gg seems a lot smaller, more indie and less corporate than it. While moving off of such a platform in case of failure is probably not nearly as problematic as it is with Fandom (e.g. no restrictive fork policy), it's nevertheless another disruptive change for editors and readers and probably hurts or kills the SEO we accumulated up to that point.

As for ABXY and Bulba, I prefer ABXY due to a few factors. They allow logged-out editing which can be a significant boost in activity, especially since editors will have to create a separate account for the wiki as there will not be the benefit of a shared platform account system. Also, as mentioned by others the ad situation is significantly better than on Bulba (which has floating ads on mobile, ads that constantly change and are within wiki content, etc.), even if the number of ads were to increase in the future. –Sonicwave ^talk 18:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulba ABXY Fandom - I prefer wiki.gg to others as they seem really clean and tidy. I'm not really worried about not having notifications, so I prefer wiki.gg followed by Bulba. --Phofers
Fandom N/A – I see the fork as critical and bad on several counts. I would like to take the example of the fork of the undermine wiki. They have already moved at the beginning of last year and really different it is not, rather just worse. On Google they are in second place, but the entries 3 - 10 are also fandom. The amount of work was huge and wiki.gg is just another farm. From farm to farm... The undermine wiki had the developers in the background, we don't, which is why I don't expect it to do better. Secondly, I also want to say that Fandom is not perfect, but no other farm is perfect. We are currently only seeing the problems/bugs with Fandom, whether they are legitimate or not, but when we leave we will see the problems/bugs from the other options. Third, if we assume that the EN-Wiki goes and a few languages follow or not, the wiki community will be split. The fandom wiki will remain open and enough will stay there. Or trolls will take it over and then seeing their own work destroyed is not nice. Worse still they just change numerical values, not visible at first glance, but spreads misinformation. The Fandom Wiki will always be remembered as the "official" Wiki. And lastly, there are still people (including youtubers) today who refer/look to the old fandom wiki (mincraft-archive), that will last just as long and longer with the fandom wiki. -- Kingcat 100^{(Diskussion|Beiträge)} 20:10, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Weird Gloop N/A N/A – Support wiki.gg migration. It is possible to adjust the styling for top level by request wiki.gg staff, who are mostly former Gamepedia staff. Aren't the good times everyone remembers when this wiki used to be hosted there? I'm not an editor here but a frequent reader (and editor for other wikis), so working with wiki.gg feels really refreshing and doesn't make me sad when editing on Fandom. I do already have experience working on their platform and the experience is great, and my biases against Fandom's intrusive layout elements seriously turned me away from them to work for a better option. And If so many people enjoy how Hydra used to look, and Vector is supported by wiki.gg, the stylistic similarities should be a good enough argument for forking.
- STRONG OPPOSE - Bulbagarden, their servers are extremely slow and editing on their wiki does not feel good. If Bulbagarden has to host another wiki, how can they do so that feels good for editors when that can't do that currently for Bulbapedia? I greatly emplore others to edit on their platform first, or to avoid them entirely.
- SOFT OPPOSE - ABXY, overall not a fan of the layout and design philosophy they have as much as wiki.gg.
- SOFT SUPPORT - Weird Gloop, is an independent company that runs the Runescape wikis, after they too forked from Fandom. IMO, it is the greatest wiki I have ever worked with, and my bar for design has been set really high due to the work they have done. However, since it was not mentioned, I do not think that anyone else will notice this recommendation.
- COMMENT - I know that there have been some failed discussions about having Mojang/Microsoft host an official wiki on their end, but I would like to know if that would be possible. Factorio and tf2 both are official wikis hosted by their parent company, on Mediawiki installations (so you wouldn't need a Microsoft account, as someone put it). Seeing as how they have decided to distance from Reddit for official communications, and their previous statement from 2021 about "official" iconography on this wiki, it appears to me that they want to have a proper channel for their brand. It makes logical sense for them to host a wiki about their own game, but not knowing the reason why discussions fizzled out just confuses me. And probably not as likely, but if editors are so concerned about SEO and duplicate content, I wonder if it is possible to request Mojang/Microsoft to send Fandom a ceast and desist because Fandom's "forking policy" is straight BS. Sylphoid (talk) 21:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
  - What do you mean by ABXY's "layout and design philosophy"? ABXY is not a wiki farm, so it does not have a certain layout and design philosophy. Each ABXY wiki decides that for themselves. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 21:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)# Fandom N/A N/A N/A – I Oppose forking. The supporters are ignoring the fact that we don't have a huge base of editors to perform the massive amount of work required to replicate content for the proposed fork. What we'll end up with are two unofficial wikis, with the new one being abysmally substandard and difficult to find because Fandom prohibits redirecting or linking out to it from this wiki. The content is already here, and Fandom won't allow moving it. It would take several years for a new wiki to experience organic growth sufficient to surpass this one without being able to redirect viewers. I support instead exploring the establishment of an actual "official" wiki hosted by Microsoft, as long as it accepts community contributions. Amatulic (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- Comment It is not necessarily difficult to export an entire MediaWiki wiki, as the software provides tools to do this in some way, and some hosts (like wiki.gg) can even handle the importing of all content with no problem, so I assume it can be automated. I doubt editors are going to have to copy and paste/reupload everything over to the fork manually. If Fandom didn't allow moving content from one wiki to another, their Forking Policy would say that. The CC BY-NC-SA licensing is stated for a reason. HaiFire3344 (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
  - Comment It is true that a forked wiki will not have to start from scratch or replicate content because the Fandom wiki's entire contents could just be copied over. However, there is still significant work involved with changing the existing articles on the forked wiki so that Google does not consider it a duplicate of the Fandom one and deranks it in search results. I personally do not believe that this is a huge issue, but it is a very valid concern. I'm not sure if that's what Amatulic meant, though. | violine1101 ^(talk) 11:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
  - Comment It's fairly simple to export it in a common Mediawiki format using the export page https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Export | and0p1 ^(talk) 14:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulbapedia Wiki.gg - Support I'm all for you guys forking. My wiki, the Mystery Dungeon Franchise Wiki was also sold out along with yours. I feel dirty every time I have to click on this wiki and support Filthdom's monopoly and cheer every time a fellow Gamepedia Wiki takes their future into their own hands. Show them they can purchase your host, but your community isn't a piece of property to be passed around. I'm not an editor, only a reader and sideline supporter. I wish you the best of luck. Korra Royal 21:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom - I'm only a reader but I hope you guys move to a semi-independent host as that gives you so much more freedom. My biggest concern with wiki.gg is the possibility that they could still be bought by Fandom again someday. It's not unreasonable to think since exactly that happened not too long ago, and this wiki in particular should know that. Moving from a wiki farm as bad as Fandom to one that's less bad for now just seems like a lot of effort when there's two other options that, contrary to many other commenters here, seem like far less risky options. Both Bulbapedia and ABXY have existed for much longer than wiki.gg, so what makes them less dependable or trustworthy? Well, as a staff member on the Xeno Series Wiki I'd love to see an affiliation with NIWA (possibly even membership), but that could only happen if you went for the independent route. Reggiamoto (talk) 22:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom – I also support the fork, and think that, ideally, the wiki should move to one of the more independent hosters (although I haven't heard about them before). However, I'd also be fine with wiki.gg, who I did know because of the Terraria Wiki.
I am placing Bulba below ABXY due to others saying that they have even more ads than Fandom, but I can't really compare them because I'm not really familiar with their respective wikis – however, of the semi-independent hosts, ABXY seems to be the favoured option right now, anyway. M S 72 (talk) 22:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom – I support the fork fully. That said, I believe that the community's current leaning to wiki.gg, another wiki farm in its own right, is very problematic. I believe the community should control its own destiny, and it's hard to predict what wiki.gg will be like in the years to come. Even the representatives from wiki.gg with whom this was discussed with could not make any guarantees about the future of ads on its platform, or potential acquisitions the platform may face. With ABXY and Bulba, the lack of a singular farm ToS means that the wiki will always have the freedom to leave without forking. The ad situation on Zelda Wiki, as a model, is very modest. I understand that this is less true with Bulba, but even accounting for that I still believe it is the second best option. Of course, wiki.gg in its current form is significantly better than Fandom, so I can't exclude it from my thinking entirely, but those are my values. I understand a lot of people here know wiki.gg from Terraria Wiki, but I really do not view that as a model to follow beyond leaving Fandom. Rman41 | Blogs - Message Wall - Guestbook 01:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulbapedia Fandom – I've been an editor and administrator of StrategyWiki, (Nintendo) Wars Wiki, and Inkipedia, as well as a contributor for The Cycle: Frontier for quite awhile now. Simply put, I've had a lot of experience with ABXY not only over a spread of different wikis and types, but also over a significant period of time. Furthermore, I have experience editing an additional twelve wikis both video game related and not. Formed in 2008, ABXY has stood the test of time as a strong wiki hosting provider. I have worked firsthand on ABXY sites and can confidently speak from experience that they are high-quality and reliable hosts, with clear communication for updates, changes, and help requests. I am confident that this is the proper choice to make for independence from the FANDOM circle. From advertisements, malicious practice, to attempting to monopolize the freedom of information through corporate acquisitions, FANDOM has proven to be unacceptable for any form of wiki to function reasonably for. Moving to ABXY will allow much deeper personalization for the end user, as well as more tools available to make editing easier, accessible, and outright more enjoyable. Another benefit to moving to ABXY specifically would be the addition of me to the roster to work on maintenance—something I am known for extensively across a variety of wikis. I personally have ensured the proper categorization, licensing, and use of all files across nearly a dozen sites, as well as improved navigation, SEO technique, and usability. Should ABXY be selected, I would be more than delighted to bring it here as well to help move in the right direction for a better, cleaner site. I think that wiki.gg and Bulbapedia also have their strengths, but would deeply encourage the moving to independence regardless. Trig Jegman - 03:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom – Unfortunately, it does not seem like Fandom's for-profit interests align with readers' and contributors' for-knowledge interests, so I Support the move. It is not something that would be easy, but I believe that for the sake of accessibility it's a worthwhile cause, and that the community deserves more control over decisions (spanning from features and appearence, to prevention of anti-user practices being implemented). Most Fandom wikis I've read and contributed to had pretty bad usability to begin with, but they manage to find themselves in a new low every now and then. I have several concerns about wiki.gg that lead me to believe it could very likely end up with its staff taking same decisions as Fandom. Something I'd like to see is the ability to contribute without an account, hence Bulba ranked less desired than ABXY, but both seem appropriate and offer a good set of options. Keerifox (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – <I have largely stopped using this wiki to how embarrassing of a downgrade it was from the Gamepedia wiki. The UI is slow, and difficult to navigate. The Information is nowhere near as in-depth as the offerings of the previous iteration. The layout of the site is abrasive to myself and other readers. The ads are incredibly intrusive on the viewing experience (to the point they block contents of the wiki or push the contents down as you are viewing or typing on mobile). I believe transfer to a new site has been long overdue. My personal choice is wiki.gg, for the overwhelmingly positive experience I have had using their Terraria wiki over the years. I believe it is perfect for the sort of Wiki minecraft needs. Another option I have seen mentioned is a domain hosted officially by Mojang themselves, in which the wiki retains an open resource for the community to manage. I strongly Support the move. SerephSoul - 6:14, 11 July 2023> ~~~~
ABXY wiki.gg Bulba Fandom - Support for anything that isn't Fandom. As a frequent reader (and occasional editor), dealing with the bloatware that Fandom constantly inserts into this Wiki is endlessly frustrating. - Camel-cultist 19:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba Wiki.gg N/A - Support Independence would be a really nice thing to get Minecraft Wiki to have. ABXY provides many options to its users and many skins to fit the wiki as needed. Wiki.gg is a fine choice, but there is a chance it will fall to the same fate as Gamepedia and be eaten by the FANDOM blob. TimeCleric (talk) 18:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Wiki.gg ABXY Bulbagarden FANDOM – Strong Support I support any host that isn't FANDOM. I'm not much of an editor - But I've been reading this website, and using this account, for over ten years. I was against the acquisition of this wiki by FANDOM to begin with. My account name was completely butchered when the two websites merged (once, long ago, I was called LCF, but for the last five years, I've been LCF92750@legacy41506529). FANDOM ruins everything it touches. What happened to the McDonald's Wiki last month has really unsettled me. It's insane that a company can just pay FANDOM to vandalize its own wikis against the wishes of its faithful editors and admins. Over the last 15 years, FANDOM has gone from a perfectly fine, readable website, to an ad-ridden Netherscape. FANDOM doesn't care about having good wikis; they only care about money. They bought Gamepedia because they wanted to be #1 on Google, they wanted users to click on a page they owned. Rather than improve their own existing Minecraft Wiki, they sooner purchased another one. Dozens of existing FANDOM wikis were closed during the Gamepedia acquisition. They were simply replaced by the purchased ones, and I feel like that says everything anybody needs to know about FANDOM's views on their own wikis. The company has no respect for its own properties. Their existence is at the company's discretion; the community doesn't get to pick what's official. They do. A couple months ago, Microsoft abandoned this site, and one day FANDOM will too. Let's get the heck out of here before that happens. --LCF92750@legacy41506529 (talk) 01:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulbagarden FANDOM – Support BrianGLHF (talk) 04:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulbagarden FANDOM – Strong Support I do love the wiki.gg interface as an editor for the Dead Cells wiki, but ultimately, moving to wiki.gg could prove risky. There's always a chance they could be bought out by Fandom or company policies could easily change. As unlikely as it sounds, I'm really wary after everything that's happened to Fandom. So in the end, ABXY is my personal choice. I edit for a lot of NIWA wikis and it's very intuitive and user friendly. I don't see any future for this wiki unless it is fully independent. Also, about SEO's, it isn't impossible to fare against Fandom. One example is the Zelda wiki; Tears of the Kingdom released recently and I've had more independent wiki pages pop up here and there. Minecraft is a game with constant updates and a huge fanbase, so I don't think it'll be any problem for us. Twiilit (talk) 06:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Wiki.gg Bulba Fandom – I'm no fan of ads, I won't talk around that, so wikis that do only have a minimal number of those that are also not so intrusive is a must for me to support it. Wiki.gg and ABXY are the best choises for me in that regard. Bulba is worse here, since it includes auto-playing videos in an article page itself, which is just horrible. But from all the options does Fandom take the absolute cake. Gigantic banners at top and bottom and auto-playing video inside articles. It's an absolute nightmare. While the examples given from ABXY aren't giving too much info on all the customization option does it feel like there is a lot you can do. Close second is wiki.gg which from what I gathered seems to have similar customization to what this wiki here had when it was Gamepedia. Bulba simply looks awful. The small width and its overall design make it look like a website from ye old days in 200x. Fandom actually is better in design than Bulba, but because of its agressive ad placements is it a worse candidate here for me. So, if ABXY really allows large customization in design, then I'm for it. Otherwise wiki.gg is my next choice here. Andre_601 (My discussion) 11:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Tho, I would like to take this oportunity and ask: Why not consider to setup a self-hosted solution? I'm pretty sure enough people would be available to support in various ways - mainly financially - to host the wiki yourself. And since MediaWiki, which is used here anyways, is open source and free to use would this also not require to buy any licenses. The costs there would be are the Server and a possible domain I assume... Tho there probs are other things I can't see right now that a wiki mod/admin may know about. Just throwing this in to know the reasons. Andre_601 (My discussion) 11:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Fandom N/A N/A N/A – Oppose I do not believe that splitting one wiki into two would resolve more problems than it would cause. It has already been discussed before that such an action de facto would not constitute a 'move', it would be a split. Unless with Mojang's involvement the new wiki receives a status tantamount to what this wiki used to have - an official, developer-backed wiki - I do not see how people would be inclined to mass-migrate from a service that they have been using for the past decade, especially when the wiki is most likely going to be outranked by Fandom in search results and not spreading through the community easily. Nixiéoffset talk contribs 13:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY wiki.gg Bulba Fandom – I fully support a move, and genuinely think than anything other than Fandom would be great. ABXY is my preferred option, as I like that it's more independent than a platform like wiki.gg. This reasoning would also put Bulba up high, but quite honestly I have a lot of gripes with Bulba. The host comparison article says that Bulba's server stability is on par with the other options, but this is simply not the case. It has had long periods of frequent 503 and 504 errors, images not loading, and other issues. And I'm aware that Bulba's ad numbers / placement won't be copied verbatim, but its autoplaying video ads are the absolute worst, and when I'm on mobile it often shows me three different ads before I get to any meaningful information on the page. Yet, its platform is still far better than Fandom. Aspharon (talk) 15:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba FANDOM - Strong Support longtime lurker, first time, and hopefully last-time editor here, I've been playing this game since around its launch, and I've been on this platform since 2017-ish, and lemme just say, coming here having to deal with FANDOM's bullcrap is a crap show. Too many ads for too little features. And personally, I've been to most of the platforms listed, and wiki.gg, well, let's just say that the Terraria Wiki has things a Nether of a lot easier to manage from what it looks like. Jdnow (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulba ABXY FANDOM – I am contributer from chinese version, I think if we go to wiki.gg , then all chinese player(including region cn,tw,hk and more) will be possible access chinese version of infomation,and its url are great to memorize. Meifraye (talk) 15:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulbapedia ABXY Fandom - I overall Support moving from here, even if I'm just a reader and I use uBlock Origin. Though, the OFFICIAL mark would be helpful, to redirect the new users to the new wiki - as I suspect that after the fork, the Fandom wiki will become a big pile of misinformation like the Fandom Calamity Wiki. Jacie0krece (talk) 15:41, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Bulba wiki.gg ABXY Fandom - I Support the fact that you are moving. Sure it may take some time for wherever you move to be ranked up high again, but there are way too many ads and i think all wikis (like this one) should move away from Fandom. I put Bulbapedia higher though because i have no idea what ABXY and wiki.gg are. NinjaKid
ABXY wiki.gg Bulba Fandom – Strong Support I strongly support moving away from Fandom. Without adblocker, the site is annoying and sluggish on desktop, and practically unusable on mobile. The other 3 platforms appear to be much better with this. I rank ABXY the highest due to it offering the most independence and offering more freedom in how the wiki is styled. wiki.gg is ranked second since it appears to be a solid host with no apparent serious problems. Bulba is ranked third because I do not have much experience with it, but of course is ranked higher than simply staying on Fandom. I'm not too concerned about SEO since hopefully, as editors move over to a new wiki, people will realize that the Fandom is vastly out of date and hopefully find the new wiki and boost it, and it would be worth talking to webmasters of other popular fan sites about promoting the new wiki. Ramislicer (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Anything that is not Fandom. Fandom. Strong Support Extremely strong support. Like, "Would hold a press rally where the only topic is why it's a good idea to move from Fandom" levels of support. This site is hot garbage and I was so annoyed when we migrated *to* fandom in the first place. ShurikenKunai (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom: Long time reader. Fandom is by far the worst and should be fired into the sun, but wiki.gg is run by the same people that allowed Gamepedia and all of the great wikis that managed to escape Wikia initially (Wowpedia is the big one) to get sold back to Fandom. wiki.gg's pitch here reminds me of how the Gampedia people were talking in 2016 or so. I am not confident that wiki.gg will continue on its current relatively positive trajectory, especially after they took 10 million dollars in seed funding. Those investors will want an exit that makes them money, and if (like Fandom) they eventually realize that the only valuable part of their company is the wiki farm, well, there's one obvious buyer. I think, ABXY (or semi/fully independent) sounds way better. Don't go through the pain of forking once and finding yourselves right back under Fandom. Erider123 (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Bulba wiki.gg Fandom ABXY - I Support moving in general, but don't want to move to ABXY due to the cookie banner issue. Otherwise, Bulbapedia seems to have better general policies than wiki.gg, so I'd prefer that. Meljuk (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Either of the other options A literal Minecraft server with all of the information written on signs or books Fandom – Support Ultimately, I do not care in the slightest where we move, as long as it isn't here. I'm more of a user than an editor, so I cannot speak for that side of things, but I have read and used the Terraria wiki.gg and Bulbapedia extensivly (never seen abxy) and between the two I've had the best expierence with wiki.gg, mainly due to the fact that it actually fills the monitor and I'm not stuck trying to read text off of the middle half of my screen with the rest being blank uselessness. The only reason I've been able to use Fandom at all is a BreezeWiki instance and a Firefox plugin to redirect me to it automatically. Crazymachinefan (talk) 16:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY and Bulba Fandom N/A – I like the terraria wiki so thats why wiki.gg is my top choice and i have not had much experience with ABXY and Bulba but they seem to be better than fandom but not better than wiki.gg Bussines Goose (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulbapedia Fandom N/A - Support While I didn't always browse here for information about minecraft itself, I think it's an interesting step and a big leap if I have to admit. Fandom has always been eeky in terms of what it potentially offers. Besides some well known places like wiki.gg that It's been provided well from my understanding. Kaspatik (talk) 16:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABYX wiki.gg Bulba Fandom - Fandom is not great for the many reasons expressed about, and Bulba seems to be not much better with ad experience. How will Bulbagarden incorporate us? I share concerns that wiki.gg might just the next mouthful for Fandom. ABYX seems to be the best option for now, with a half successful model to follow(Zelda Wiki). BTW, Gamepedia is not the first web host this wiki had, what was the first? I832 (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulbapedia ABXY Fandom - I Support. Just move! Because ads, obviously... User:A296 (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg/Bulba/wiki.gg N/A N/A Fandom - Support I actually just hate fandom with a burning passion, too many ads, it takes up like half my PC's ram, and is physically impossible to use on mobile. Zepsun (talk) 11:42, 12 July 2023 (CST)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom - Support moving from Fandom. I remember being deeply disappointed with Fandom when Gamepedia shut down. Fandom literally deleted my original message i made here, so i am writing this for the second time. Vesek (talk) 18:58, 12 July 2023 (CEST)
N/A N/A N/A Fandom – Support Leave Fandom now, and don't care other things. Fandom is full of advertisements and it's terrible, just rubbish.Watermelontail (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABYX Bulbapedia wiki.gg Fandom – Support If we get a similar situation a few years down the line it would probably be much easier to migrate a mediawiki based site using it's own domain. moving to wiki.gg would be a mistake because there's so much less control for the community Emhls (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY/wiki.gg/Bulbapedia Fandom – Support I don't have a preference on Bulba/wiki.gg/ABXY, I just want to leave Fandom -ThisWasn'tMyFirstUsernameChoice (All the others I wanted were taken) (talk link that doesn't exist) 17:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Strong support In case you haven't noticed, I've been editing a LOT less since Gamepedia merged to Fandom and everyone was forced to switch from Hydra and use the horrible FandomDesktop design. Fully support the switch, don't care where to. -FezEmerald Talk to me See what I've been up to 17:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
N/A (Microsoft) ABYX/wiki.gg Bulba Fandom Strong support I am personally of the opinion that we should try and move to a wiki location which would be long term. I agree with the idea in additional disscutions where the wiki should try and regain official status. I also think if Microsoft were to offer to host the wiki it would remain that way near indefinitely. I must say I am a little worried about wiki.gg's future as I think it might go down the same path as Gamepedia. I personally am unsatisfied with Fandom and far preferred the gamepedia wiki in many ways. Due to this my hope would be that the wiki would become closer to the old Gamepedia format. Many of this remember this format as it was easier and nicer to go use the wiki through. I also didnt move to this wiki until the gampedia wiki was shut down and I find my self rarely using this one in comparison to how I used the old one. I personally prefer wiki.gg's ad placement policy compared to ABYX. However I never had really had to dealt with them due to using adblockers. However I understand most people don't use adblockers and that google has dropped support for the backend features they use in order to try and limit the use of adblockers. Also I think that due to the size of the Minecraft wiki its best to see what each company offers. Overall I support the move to a new wiki format but I would support an official wiki supported by Microsoft the most. Also I feel like some information was lost in the migration from Gampedia to fandom, if possible I would like some of these pieces of information and trivia to be readded to the wiki if possible. Lastly I think that this old wiki should redirect to the new wiki using banners. I think one should be an overall banner which appears across the entire wiki saying to move over to the new one. While the I think for a smooth transition even though it would require alot of work and effort I think every page should have a banner popup with a redirect to the new wiki's version of the same page. This would help make the transition alot more smooth and spread the news far more widely and hopefully help people transition. – Unsigned comment added by SpEGilbert (talk • contribs) at 17:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~
wiki.gg Bulba ABXY Fandom - Strong Support From a user standpoint, personally i prefer the the visual style of the old minecraft wiki, back when it was called gamepedia, and the wiki.gg is the one that the closest to that. Especially since it make use of the whole screen when you are on desktop. It is in the same way that i am against the redesign that wikipedia did, where they are only using around 40% of the screen for the text, and are using the scrips to change that into the Vector design. Another advantage would a integration of the Minecraft Discontinued Features Wiki, which is located on wiki.gg. OliverXRed (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulbapedia Fandom – <I’ve used and edited on wiki.gg before, and the site works smoothly, although it lacks a visual editor which could hurt contributions from people inexperienced in using the source editor. Bulbapedia’s site still has some very annoying issues that have never been fixed. On mobile, searching for something often doesn’t even get you to the page you searched for. Instead kicking you back a page in your browser for some reason (and it’s also got some annoying ads). I don’t have any editing experience with ABXY, but I’ve browsed their wikis some and didn’t have too much issue.> Pootvich (talk) 17:45, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg or miraheze.org Bulbapedia ABXY Fandom – I've been a user of a few wiki.gg wikis for a while and the user experience is on par with the old Gamepedia website. The advertising is limited and not obnoxious, and I really like the Vector (or their Vector-like) skin that some MediaWiki sites are for whatever reason trying to move away from. I know it's not on the list, but I equally support moving to miraheze.org - the user experience is equally good (see the Rain World wiki for an example). I've occasionally used Bulbapedia and I know that it supports the Vector skin as well (though it's not used by default), so I rank it second. I have no opinion about ABXY as I haven't used it previously, but I Strong support moving to any three of these as opposed to staying on Fandom, which is of the most unnecessarily cluttered websites I know of. Marko Zajc (talk) 17:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg N/A N/A N/A – <The ads on Fandom are really annoying, and all the benefits of wiki.gg outweigh the cons of staying here or going to the other hosts. So yeah, I vote wiki.gg> GamingBren (talk) 17:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom - wiki.gg seems to be the best option here. Fandom is bad. Wackbyte (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
N/A N/A N/A N/A - A lot had happened past week, majority of it happened on our Discord server. We've interacted with our community via social media and were able to expand our contacts. We were able to connect with very experienced people in the field of MediaWiki forking, RuneScape wiki administration, past Gamepedia developers, even Modrinth staff! We've been given a lot of useful advice, recommendations and love. There's been media coverage, YouTube personalities commenting. One things has been clear from the outpouring messages coming from our readers as well as editors voting in here: we should leave Fandom. It's an undeniable state of fact that this is the course our community wants us to take, and I consider it point of no return, because to me, the ship has sailed - and we duty bound to serving Minecraft community need to make appropriate decisions.
The arguments for and against are in my personal opinion also pretty in favor of the fork. We should make sure to address and minimize impact that fork will have on our language communities, but ultimately this should not prevent an English Minecraft Wiki from forking. As far as my arguments go, I echo Violine's comments in the vote, they are very on point.
My vote here is symbolic, I apologize for disregarding format we agreed to, however I do believe I have a good reason to do so: I think our vote happened prematurely. At that time it wans't premature, but it quickly became once the spiral of attention started going out of control. Since then we've realized that we presented 4 options, where they aren't our only options we have. What I suggest we do is not to go back to drawing board, but take a step back, reorganize and try to get our bearings on newest options we have. Many in the past have expressed that their most preferred option is to go independent. This option was rejected fairly quick based on effort required, finances and lack of staff that would be responsible for running that. We've had input from other people who have obtained independence from Fandom, we are now wiser than ever, and while staffing and financing are still big unknowns - in this week we are slowly learning and getting contacts on how we could address those issues as well.
I'd want this very major for the wiki decision to be a good decision. Good decisions can't be rushed. So I ask all of you this: please give a chance to properly consider our other options first. Because there are more of them, and without them, this vote is flawed. Frisk (talk) 🐐🧼 18:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Fandom Independent N/A N/A – Let me first let you all know about our wiki. Me, and some others, used to run a Fandom wiki known as "Screamer Wiki." We ended up getting shut down by Fandom staff, so the fandom equivalent of the wiki no longer exists. By far, our biggest fight ever since leaving Fandom is SEO. Google tends to rank large websites, such as news sites, social media, and even spam sites, over anything else, so we were fighting with a bunch of other people, and also making sure we never got downranked by Google, which can break your wiki. We still haven't surpassed the daily viewership we were getting on Fandom. I know that some of the other Minecraft Wiki staff were discussing this too. We had the advantage of not having a Fandom equivalent, however, this wiki won't have that advantage. You'll basically be fighting against yourself, and this can be seen with many of the NIWA wikis. For example, with the example of MarioWiki, Google always will put the larger fandom.com wiki first. You won't be able to beat Fandom at its page ranking, unless maybe the wiki moves to Minecraft.net. And there is of course how you will split your community since, as also discussed, Fandom does not take kindly to people leaving the site. If you can get Fandom to shut down this wiki, then maybe, but that won't happen. And don't use another wiki host if you do fork. Miraheze, for example, has been known to be pretty stringent too, and you can definitely get away with no ads for anyone with donations.--Angeleno (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg Bulb/ABXY N/A N/A – I fully support leaving Fandom. Their management has effectively ruined Wikia/Gamepedia, which used to be two of the most versatile/useful platforms for compiling comprehensive wikis. My first choice is wiki.gg, purely because my experience with the Terraria wiki has been completely positive. After reading the pros and cons of all four options, it seems to me that wiki.gg is the most middle-of-the-road option. It has a fair bit more red tape than Bulb or ABXY, but it still makes for a very good out-of-the-box wiki. Bulb and ABXY seem to allow for much more freedom, but they also seem a fair bit more experimental and possibly have fewer support resources for admins to utilize. In the interest of things running smoothly, I would prefer to go with the slightly more well established option: that being wiki.gg. Although I will add that the lack of a mobile layout on wiki.gg is significant. I'm in favor of ignoring that problem for now, and counting on wiki.gg adding mobile support in the future. The Dialog Box (talk) 18:37, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
ABXY Bulb wiki.gg Fandom – I Support a move to a new website. It could provide more customization, as well if you had a custom domain you could do more with it. Creeperfan78YT (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Bulbapedia ABXY wiki.gg Fandom I Support moving off of fandom. My top vote is Bulbapedia, since I read the Pokemon wiki relatively often and it looks great. I **do** use an ad blocker though, so I don't know about ads on Bulbapedia. The other thing about Bulbapedia that I like is the one click "block and dismiss" button, which gets rid of the pain that cookie pop-ups are, especially for more privacy-focused users. Another thing I like about Bulbapedia (and this also applies to ABXY) is the full control over skins, meaning that MCW can do whatever they want in terms of the appearance. Perhaps one of the most useful parts about Bulbapedia (and ABXY) is custom domains, meaning MCW can be hosted wherever instead of being locked to minecraft.example.com (or whatever), meaning, if we need to move again, we can just redirect our domain to the new wiki. (And, by the way, may I suggest moving to [Miraheze](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Miraheze)?) Zurgeg
wiki.gg Bulb ABXY Fandom – I think that moving from fandom to wiki.gg would be great. Firstly, The UI in wiki.gg looks amazing and I think it would look great. Secondly, I think that since the ads are all crammed to the right of the screen makes it way easier to see. and Lastly, I think that it would be a great choice, since the website is big and already holds the official wiki for many great games such as Ark, Terraria and DeadCells to name a few. But if the forking doesn't pass or wiki.gg is out of question then i would say that Bulbapedia is the way to go. I have spoken.SyntaXenon (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Bulba, Miraheze.org ABXY Fandom wiki.gg - I support moving to Bulba. While it has ads (I still feel Fandom's got more), by logging in you can get rid of them. It also supports the original, clean Vector which is the best wiki skin IMO as you can focus on reading. It also has extensions and lets us get a custom domain which is a huge plus. The privacy policy is short and clear. Miraheze is another option, it is open-source and the wikis are very independent. ABXY is #2. I liked the experience on the StrategyWiki overall, they have a very cool skin and the ads are balanced, and there's no branding. Can't we create our own cookie banner if it really matters? Fandom is third. It's really bad, we all know why, but wiki.gg if fourth. It's not exactly bad, but with the level of control they have over their wikis I have a feeling that it's going to become another Fandom. After all, they're just a corporation who profits off users. The flashing game ads are also not exactly pleasant, and they appear when logged in. And it's only a bit more permissive than fandom regarding the skin, plugins, gadgets and configs. And I don't like the GaMEr feel everywhere, and no notifications? I don't think it's worth it to move to a host that is new, not sustainable long-term and is just marginally better than Fandom, heck, they could even be bought with them and we'll have to do it again! Also, I support vandalising this old, dusty wiki. Good luck. Gugalcrom123 (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- Regarding the skins, note that Bulba and ABXY should be able to support virtually any skin (old Vector, new Vector, Timeless, Cosmos, Monobook, etc.) - see Minecraft_Wiki:Wiki_host_comparison#Skin_control. It's up to the communtiy to decide which skin(s) they want and how to style them. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 19:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
  - I know, and that's why I voted for them. Gugalcrom123 (talk) 20:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
wiki.gg ABXY Bulba Fandom – (1) I prefer wiki.gg because its staff is former Gamepedia and I found GP easy to work with back in the day. That's not to say anything bad about Bulba or ABXP, I just don't know anything about them. (2) I think the SEO issue is given too much weight. YouTuber Phoenix SC (2.3m subscribers) posted a video today announcing that we're considering the move. Lots of other content creators would probably be willing to do the same, if not in a video then on their Discord servers. It might take a while, but eventually most readers would hear about the new URL, except for those who only Google and don't participate in the community much. That's probably almost exclusively pre-teens, and what do we lose if they don't follow? Just page hits, which matter to the host a lot but not so much to us editors. We should just alter the text to defeat Google's duplicate suppression and let the hosting site worry about SEO. (3) I agree that language wikis should be allowed to decide independently whether to move, but I think extra weight should be afforded to any for which moving would not be practical. I feel like we're not so much giving them an equal voice as handing them an ultimatum, and I don't like that feeling. (4) In regard to wiki.gg possibly becoming as ad-choked in the future, so what? You could argue that the same thing could happen to any hosting site, or that whichever one we choose might go out of business, or that the wiki might become obsolete before either of those. The future is the future and we'll deal with it when it happens. — Auldrick (talk · contribs) 19:47, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
- This is not correct. wiki.gg is much more likely to go downhill due to its wiki farm nature. With Bulba we could move again without issues. Also, wiki.gg doesn't have skins. – Unsigned comment added by Gugalcrom123 (talk • contribs) at 20:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~
ABXY Bulba wiki.gg Fandom - ABXY and Bulbapedia seem like the best options in my opinion. I rank ABXY slightly higher because Bulbapedia is somewhat infamous within the Pokemon community for being kind of slow, especially on longer pages. I've been using it for over a decade and haven't really felt that it's much of an issue though. wiki.gg has too many issues such as the lack of a mobile view. It's only slightly better than Fandom, which I do not think should be used any longer. - MaddieMJD (talk) 21:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)# Fandom N/A N/A N/A – Oppose. This seems petty and unnecessary. Most websites have ads. Fandom hosts these wikis, they need a way to make money off of it. They are a company, after all. Nothing is free. Fandom is well known as a place to host wikis, and it is where everyone looks first. This is an inconvenience to new players and people used to using the Fandom wiki. Not to mention, you are just making more work for yourselves by migrating to the new wiki and transferring all the information there.
wiki.gg Bulba ABXY Fandom – Although I haven't been as active on the wiki now as I was a couple of years ago, this discussion has prompted me to support the Minecraft Wiki leaving Fandom. There will be SEO penalties, but moving to a new platform will allow for better searching, more customization, etc. I ranked the options based on how familiar I am to these platforms; wiki.gg was my preference because I was notified about a wiki being migrated there most recently. Fadyblok240 (talk) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Additional comments

This section is for additional discussion separate from the main vote. See also the previous discussion on the community portal.

How should we organize votes for non-EN wikis that are willing to fork? – Babylon AS 05:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I think that should probably take place as separate votes/discussions on the respective wikis. –Sonicwave ^talk 05:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

And what is the best moment to start them? — Babylon AS 05:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Presumably whenever those wikis' admins see fit. -MisterSheeple (talk) 08:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

A fair number of languages have discussed that already. The FR admins have decided a fork won't happen in the foreseeable future there, for instance. --MetalManiacMc, French Minecraft Wiki Administrator 09:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

A potential option that I brought up in the above linked discussion, is the hosting by Mojang/Microsoft themselves. We don't know if that option is/will be available yet, since they first need to do some research on it before they can tell if they'll be able to provide the hosting for us. So this option does potentially exist and must not be overlooked. Maybe some people here think it is scary or not an option, but that is not true. They've definitely never said a resolute "no", it's just that they don't know anything about it yet so we shouldn't discard it as an option. It would probably help if we'd made a list of things that we'd want from them should they be able to do it for us, so they can figure out if they can meet it. Things like what we don't want and specifically do want. I'm sure that if they can get past the first barrier of research and we can share what we would expect from them, a public discussion could be formed. Just don't wipe it off the table before having tried. Jack McKalling (talk) 08:43, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

One of the main reasons we're leaving Fandom is because the Fandom staff uses wikis for promotional campaigns. Microsoft will do that too. I think being hosted by Microsoft is a terrible idea. --MetalManiacMc, French Minecraft Wiki Administrator 09:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Again, don't just discard the idea. You're only making an assumption, and this argument you're using here is a perfect example of what would be on that list of requirements from us. If these points could be gathered, we can literally ask them. Don;t speak for them, speak for yourself please. Jack McKalling (talk) 09:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Remember that Microsoft/Mojang owns Minecraft. So it would only be understandable that they use the wiki to promote their product. What I see as a benefit here is, that the wiki could be considered official (again) since it would now be hosted by Mojang/Microsoft. Tho a possible issue would be what we have with Fandom right now, which is that they could add, edit or even remove pages at their own discretion. But truth be told, that's the case with pretty much every wiki host there is and the only alternative would be to selfhost. Andre_601 (My discussion) 11:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

One of the big discussions seems to be how to promote the new wiki as the active version over the Fandom defunct copy that will still get all the clicks. The only way the new fork would succeed with the public is to have the "OFFICIAL!" mark, so every reader can immediately tell where to go. Mojang need to provide the path for the wiki to achieve that status, for a move to be effective. Otherwise the Fandom wiki will continue to dominate. Gotta work with Mojang if at all possible. Belle pullman (talk) 10:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm personally not fond of the idea of delaying the fork indefinitely, which is what would have to happen if we want to consider Mojang/Microsoft a host option in this discussion. The priority is leaving Fandom, if in a year or two Mojang/Microsoft have a solid plan for hosting us, we can take that, because these other host options will allow us to migrate off of their platform if we so wish. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 13:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't feel that this much better than Fandom. I worry about editorial independence, like Fandom did to the McDonald's Wiki for promotion is just atrocious for writing neutral wikis. SWinxy (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Important note about advertisements on ABXY:

ABXY has stated in the MCW discord that MCW would only have two ad slots once the fork happens, one located at the top of the page and one at the very bottom, this is the same as Zelda Wiki (another ABXY wiki). However, this miniscule amount of ads is planned to be updated in the future, as these sites have such high traffic they will naturally need more ads. I find it highly unlikely MCW would have the top-right ad that StrategyWiki has, which many people here have disliked (understandable). That ad placement works somewhat for StrategyWiki because StrategyWiki does not use infoboxes much at all, so that ad isn't blocking much at all, comparatively for another wiki that uses infoboxes on most pages, that ad would be incredibly obtrusive and poorly placed. I find it unlikely that MCW would have this ad placement because, well, ABXY isn't Fandom, I don't think they're going to force that ad in that location despite us completely disagreeing with it. There are other locations for the ad to be placed, such as the sidebars.

To sum up, in the beginning ABXY will provide us with the least amount of ads, later on this amount of ads will be increased to about the same amount as wiki.gg provides. It's unlikely that a top right ad would be added if MCW were on ABXY.

Also, ABXY has stated that no ads for logged in users is on the roadmap and will be implemented eventually. - Harristic | Talk | Contributions 14:53, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

As the OG software architect behind Gamepedia I recommend that you leave Fandom. I left Fandom a couple years ago shortly after it acquired Gamepedia. The very first month that Gamepedia came under Fandom control they started breaking long standing promises to the user base. The upper management of Fandom does not care about the wiki experience or how the users are treated. They only care about how much money they can make. I am refraining from voting since I have a personal bias/connection with wiki.gg. Azxiana (talk) 13:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I've been inactive here for a long time, so I don't feel like I should vote on any specifics of the wiki's or community's future at this point, but I do want to voice my absolute support for forking if that's what's decided here - Fandom sucks and there's a reason the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki forked to Yugipedia in 2017. Best of luck y'all! Dinoguy1000 (talk) 01:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I am TheObbyxx, I use Minecraft Wiki as my resource a lot. I became aware of the change from PhoenixSC's video. After reading about the subject a bit, I'd like to suggest another Wiki provider: Wikidot. While I'm not against the move, and any other provider than Fandom would be better honestly, but I feel like Wikidot would be the best provider for the time being. Here are some upsides and downsides of the platform:

Upsides

Completely custom CSS customization - while Fandom is very limited in regards to CSS customization by enforcing FandomDesktop skin and limiting Common.css to admins only, Wikidot grants much more freedom in this category. It allows users to create their custom CSS skin from scratch (the HTML layout needs to remain the same, though), have custom CSS code in any page and component (components are templats on Wikidot) using [[module css]], and possibly more I am not aware of.
The ability to use Wikitext - Wikidot by default uses FTML (Foundation Text Markup Language), but using the [[html]] tag is it possible to write pages using HTML, or in other words - expanded Wikitext. While all the styles defined in [[module css]] do not work inside [[html]] tags, it is possible to define custom CSS in them using <style> (note: all content inside the HTML tags except for styles would need to be in body tag, like in raw HTML)
The site has no ads (or atleast, I haven't saw any, even without adblocker).
Wikis on Wikidot are completely independent. There are no requests to disable forums, any Wiki Representatives, or any kind of major control from Wikidot's staff. It's even possible to install your own search engine on the wiki, set a custom domain, set permissions to usergroups (that includes anonymous editing), it even allows to mess with the API (I haven't read much about it, though).

Downsides

Wikidot is not well-maintained - while major outages of the site are fixed (Wikidot won't just vanish one day), it has minor issues like the CSS not loading at times, leaving us with pure blank HTML, or the occasional issues with user account creation, specifically the verification email, not being sent at times. However, there aren't any major bugs, except for the search engine, which is turned off for years. Luckily, it is possible to import a custom search engine, as mentioned above. And the account creation might be a struggle to users, but I think there's a way to overcome that.
Storage limit - by default, Wikidot's free storage for files is only 300 MB. The wiki would be required to host files externally, or get one of the admin to fund a pro account for extra storage. Pro account would also give other valuable upgrades, such as preventing from cloning the site, custom layout, and advanced web statistics. A free community upgrade could be given to the new Wiki via request that would contain all Pro+ bonuses, but I'm unsure if these requests are being handled anymore. Here's a plan comparison: http://www.wikidot.com/plans

Ultimately, I think Wikidot would do the job for hosting Minecraft's site, as the pros outweigh the cons. I have been using Wikidot for quite some time, and I really do find it a very good candidate for hosting, especially when looking at the freedom gave to administrators. That's all from me, have a good day everyone.

TheObbyxx 19:19, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Language variants of MCW

I'm not sure if I should create a section, but I want to adress something that I think it's important to consider before you proceed to fork.

First of all, the fork, if it happens, will generate pressure on the non-english language variants to fork, a pressure maybe not by the wili editors, but rather the Minecraft community. The whole userbase will expect non-english wikis to also fork, but some of us have our own issues that would worsen if we did fork, as we don't have a strong userbase/community.

That's my main concern, you'll generate a set of people who will complain and keep saying, "why didn't you fork" "why don't you want to do so" "why should I trust you". People doesn't really read things, they just follow a common trend, and so even if we explain it's not certain they'll understand

Let me ask you something, do you find this fair? It's not a matter of whether the community will do this, but instead a matter of why the community wouldn't do that.

A fork sure is beneficial for the reputation you can build for the community, that's possible, but you'll end up creating as well a subset of people who will be saying that we as non-EN are sided with Fandom when we're not.

My only petition, if you end up forking, is that you make sure the community understands and respects our decisions, and that they should not avoid us just because we don't follow you. I have been editing on the ES wiki for 3 years, and I'm doing everything I can to build a community, and for me at least, the fork is concerning not because it's wrong to do so, but instead because the repercussions could get bad if you don't do something to alleviate that.

I hope this message gets read, I'm not the best explaining my thoughts overall, but I did what I could because I worry a lot about ES, so, I'll repeat what I said before, I hope the best for you whatever you end up doing. --Supeika (contáctame) 15:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure anything can be guaranteed as there are always some people who don't read given explanations, although I'm not sure how much of the English community at least will have complaints about language wikis remaining on Fandom. But for every potential complainer, I think there should also be many people who will be understanding, especially if the language wikis make an effort to continue to stick together. Personally, I'd hate to see the language communities get split up; the wiki editing community is small enough as it is and people from other language wikis have been a great contributor to the community here. –Sonicwave ^talk 06:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

The Russian wiki has opened up the discussion on forking: ru:Обсуждение Minecraft Wiki:Портал сообщества#Переезд на другой вики-хост. — Babylon AS 17:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

So has the Chinese wiki.Watermelontail (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that on the Ukrainian wiki I started a discussion similar to the Russian wiki at the same time. But only after the video, some progress began. — MakandIv (кортамс|сатовск) 18:15, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

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