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Olympia[]
Although I disagree with the ongoing edit war over her first name, I agree with the reasoning behind it. It is basically one mention of Olympia against 70+ of either Captain Avery or Avery. She being adressed as simply Avery in some dialogues means, that it doesn't necessarily has to be her last name, it can also be her first name. Just because the Editor ID for the note has Avery in it, doesn't mean that it is her first name, at least in my opinion. Quite frankly, this looks like another case of connecting the dots, where there isn't conclusive evidence. Here is hope, that we can come to a consensus about the issue at hand. –Findabair
The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 14:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- There's honestly not many dots to connect because the Old Letter is found in Cap'n Avery's home, which is the definitive proof for me. I wouldn't have edited and changed the page name otherwise. I'm fine with changing Danny's name back, I do think in retrospect that was overreaching with conclusions, but I believe without any doubt that Avery's first name is Olympia. This kind of situation where the first name of a character is given in a note is like the Sniper nest location note that gives the first name of Joseph Polatli. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 14:23, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Forgot to add, the content of the letter is also really personal with the talk about the dead of their mother and how it implores Avery to come back to their homestead instead of where she's at now (Far Harbor). Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 14:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, or it could have been written to her during that "long spell", during which she was not on the island. Which is exactly the issue at hand, that note can refer to many things, this is what I meant when I wrote that the evidence is inconclusive imho. Not like it matters much to me, I already have prepared a fully referenced rewrite of that background section plus notes, and am just waiting for the protection to expire. Also, good luck to anyone who wants to support the current first paragraph with that note alone. –FindabairThe benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 15:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, or it could have been written to her during that "long spell", during which she was not on the island. Which is exactly the issue at hand, that note can refer to many things, this is what I meant when I wrote that the evidence is inconclusive imho. Not like it matters much to me, I already have prepared a fully referenced rewrite of that background section plus notes, and am just waiting for the protection to expire. Also, good luck to anyone who wants to support the current first paragraph with that note alone. –Findabair
- Forgot to add, the content of the letter is also really personal with the talk about the dead of their mother and how it implores Avery to come back to their homestead instead of where she's at now (Far Harbor). Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 14:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
After some lively discussion about this on Discord, I think we need to verify some assumptions. We need to make sure that realy is her house and her room. Does she sleep there? Consistently? And is there anyone else that shares that house or room? We can't go by EDID alone. If that note was located elsewhere, it would be a leap to attribute it to her. As a result, we need to make sure this location is connected to her more than just 'she can be found in this building.' If it's verified that this is her house and her room, then I don't think it's a leap to say this note was sent to her and her name is Olympia. I do, however, disagree with assigning any kind of specific relationship between her and Danny. He is informing her that HIS ma died. You don't tell someone that your shared mother passed away in the manner done in this note. At best he may be a cousin or other distant relative. Could be a family friend or neighbor that was looking after the property and her family. We don't know his last name or relationship to her and is an 'associated person' at best. Gilpo1 (talk) 15:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'll just say that considering how the note is written, the two are relatives. The "Your family needs you" is proof enough. What kind of relatives they are? That's up in the air. And also, if that is her house, and only she is around it and goes to sleep in the bed (if there's any there), then that note is hers. One thing is connecting dots, aka "I heard a gunshot and when I arrived at the room he had the smoking gun in his hand so he is the killer" and the other is speculation, aka "since this gun was a possession of his, despite not being in the room, he is the killer for sure." Just because something is not explicitly written or said by someone doesn't mean it's not true. Otherwise there would be many information that should be deleted. As an example, in FO76 there is this guy who has joined the BoS. When asking if he is an Initiate yet, he will say that no, and that he is training. I put that he is a Hopeful. Does he say that? No. But I know that before becoming an Initiate, recruits are Hopefuls. Is this speculation? No it isn't. I'm just saying that it may be best to relax a little. Going too far on either side is not good. --Ryon21
(talk) 16:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'll just say that considering how the note is written, the two are relatives. The "Your family needs you" is proof enough. What kind of relatives they are? That's up in the air. And also, if that is her house, and only she is around it and goes to sleep in the bed (if there's any there), then that note is hers. One thing is connecting dots, aka "I heard a gunshot and when I arrived at the room he had the smoking gun in his hand so he is the killer" and the other is speculation, aka "since this gun was a possession of his, despite not being in the room, he is the killer for sure." Just because something is not explicitly written or said by someone doesn't mean it's not true. Otherwise there would be many information that should be deleted. As an example, in FO76 there is this guy who has joined the BoS. When asking if he is an Initiate yet, he will say that no, and that he is training. I put that he is a Hopeful. Does he say that? No. But I know that before becoming an Initiate, recruits are Hopefuls. Is this speculation? No it isn't. I'm just saying that it may be best to relax a little. Going too far on either side is not good. --Ryon21
- I will try and confirm this today as I believe she's alive in my game. I will wait in the same building for 3 days to confirm she consistent sleeps there. Also I do want to bring up the language of the letter. Danny addresses his mother dying as "ma", kind of like saying mummy. And at the end of the letter he pleads for her help with "Your family needs you." Which is the confirmation for me. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 20:38, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
I have confirmed on 3 separate occasions that Avery sleeps in the same bed. She goes to this bed starting at around midnight and sleeps. Before she sleeps, she can usually be seen hanging around the outside of this building or sitting in the chair before heading to bed. Day 1, Day 2, Day 3. Devastating DaveZIP ZAP RAP 20:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
We also have confirmation by a dev about Olympia being her intended first name now. Are there any objections if I were to remove the article's protection prematurely? I don't wanna edit it while it is being protected, that seems kinda shady imho. –Findabair
The benefit of the doubt is often doubtful. 20:28, 7 August 2021 (UTC)