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Star Wars reference[]

Starwars reference? Fat Man Spoon 18:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thats what I thought when i found it too. TheLastNinJew 18:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)TheLastNinJew

Star Wars?... oh, plane in a swamp. Not really. It's in the ground, not the muck. Although, I do like the fact that you can listen to the blackbox recorder. Does it do anything special? Nitpicker of the Wastes 19:23, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

My friend and i tried to find the Pilot using the blackbox recording if you turnaround and look up wile at the crash site youll see him. and anyone want to get a screenshot for this please?Lenov 12:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It marks the location of a secret InstaMash vault. It's near the Second lighthouse lightbulb location. Fat Man Spoon 19:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Not the second bulb!... Seriously, is there really a second bulb. CatshithXx never got me the updated map. Nitpicker of the Wastes 19:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I highly doubt it. I've been up and down the western side of the map, and the closest I've got to an un-marked location would be the place where you find the stuff for 'An antique land'. Fat Man Spoon 19:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

i think its more of a refrence to the squadron of planes that went down in the bermuda triangle i think it was a flight of pb-1 avengers but this is a shooting star.

Er, no. Fat Man Spoon 21:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Well think about it where is this DLC located, Hmmmm i think that is florida or perhaps maryland but more florida than anything and aren't there swamps in florida?, so one could take a sencible conclusion from a event in real life and tie it to the game, i mean where else does a plane randomly land in a bog?Lenov 12:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC) a P-80 / F-80 Shooting Star is what t looks like. i think its a refrence to what i think is flight 19 which 5 TBM avengers flew off the coast in florida on a training mission and got dissorientated leading to they landed in the sea, or crashed in the everglades.68.52.61.219 23:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

It's obviously a refarence to the scene in Austin powers:Goldmember because in the scene Austin jump s over the heliocopter and shoots the piolet with an SMG and in Point Loookout theres a crashed flying machine with SMG ammo in the cockpit. Pathetic. Nitpicker of the Wastes 21:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

No sir plus i think the ammo is diffrent for everyone i mean i got some 5.56 ammo from the crate in the cockpit.Lenov 12:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC) If you're going strictly for potential film references, when I got here I was strongly reminded of the B-17 segment of the movie Heavy Metal. Specifically the end, where the pilot finds himself in a sort of Lost World swamp full of crashed warplanes of the past, present and future, and is promptly attacked by zombies. That is to say,faced with the feral ghouls here, I felt like the pilot upon approach, not that I think the location as portrayed is directly representative of the movie. 24.11.138.190 10:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Pilot's Death[]

The main article looks like a discussion page. I'll start the discussion here where it should be. Judging from the terminal in the disaster relief tents that gave evidence of pre-war hostility and the scene at the plane, it's pretty obvious that when the plane crashed the nearby swampfolk charged it and the pilot managed to kill a few before getting killed himself. Probably by a hick with an actual weapon instead of an axe or shovel. J. Smythe 05:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

There are an aweful lot of axes and shovels around that plane so it was like blackhawk down, the plane crashes the pilot ejects and well probably died landing in the tree im no expert on blunt force trauma but it looks like his spine is broken, and maybe the hicks went "heys looked over ders a shiny metal flying contraption hitting my property!, get my shotgun and grab you shovels", but his assult rifle is in horrible condition.Lenov 12:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no mystery as to the pilot's identity. What happened is a lone fighter pilot was flying around over the ocean on a patrol or something, was heading back to base (or not) when he saw the nuclear explosions. This gave him zero visibility and he flew around asking for landing directions while low on fuel. Finally he decided to ditch, which I assume is what he meant by "pulling the loud handle" in the holotape. He fell in the tree, possibly died on impact or died slowly. Since there is a body in a tree with a parachute it can only be the pilot. The real mystery is who is the guy that decided to make his stand up against the plane. 70.130.42.245 03:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC) /\ AVIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY 24.1.34.230 04:24, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

So there's a man in a tree with a parachute near the plane?: I've never seen him before... But then who i the skeleton near the planes black box recording? Hehas a 10mm with ammo and a combat helmet so he's not a hick... Maybe a scout from the turtle dove detention site? KiTTeN SmasHeR 21:45, July 1, 2010 (UTC) KiTTeN SmasHeRKiTTeN SmasHeR 21:45, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Best guess would be the people around the plane are local scavers. Probably got into a fight over who took what and ended up killing each other.--65.25.206.229 04:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Closer Inspection[]

I would take a closer look at the area, there is a parachute with a skeleton which I think is the pilot - embedded in the tree next to the skeleton is an axe. At the bottom of the tree is an Assault Rifle and Combat Armour.

I doubt that the soldier was killed by Swampfolk; there could have been inbreds before the nuking, sure, but I'm pretty certain that they only became outright hostile (possibly insane?) post-war (probably due to exposure to radiation). --117649AnnihilativeRepentance 19:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well couldn't it be possible that the New Plague mentioned at the Medical Camp's terminal caused the transformation of swamp folk prior to the bombing and the pilot went down near the time when the bombs fell knocking out communications due the EMP effect of Nukes. He probably shrugged off his combat armor so he could move easier to get out of the parachute but held on to his assualt rifle and shot the the swamp folk as they attacked but one got in a lucky shot and possibly wandered off after killing the pilot or was wounded and died. --FLaSHBaCK HaSH 19:55, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason he couldn't get through to air traffic control is simple: air command was hit by one of the nukes. As for his last stand, as you said, he may've tried to fend off the hostile locals with his assault rifle while stuck in the tree. Given the poor condition of the rifle itself, perhaps he resorted to bashing them with it after running out of ammo, as a last-ditch effort, before being axed to death (considering the axe on the ground). --Shadow86 02:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I thought that exact story after finding this place, only I think that they may have come from an aircraft carrier (Rivet City?) about an hour or two after seeing the mushroom clouds, just about enough time for everything to change.--Master of cheeZ 20:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

To the west of this area - off the border of the world map, west and slightly south of the Excavated Muck Hole nearby - I found a small inlet/cave containing a giant orange ball (about 4x usual size), a couple of skeletons, some stimpacks and a bunch of components. You would seem to have to travel through water to get to or from it.

Probably nothing to do with the jet site, just odd. (This was on the 360 version)

Ruzka's Lair, perhaps? And yeah, nothing to do with the crash site. By the way, sign your comments next time. --Shadow86 17:28, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Well, we have to remember the visuals at the site. Carol at underworld said she was given the luxury of knowing when the West coast was gone. With that being said, surly the personnel at Air com (Air combat command)abandoned their posts before the bombs hit. He was flying blind before he seen the flashes of light (ICBM's hitting the coast.)He had ejected from the aircraft, i'd imagine the shovels and axes were from a recovery team trying to get the aircraft out of the Bog, but then leaves the question, why did they die? Radiation? Atacked by locals?? The military base is nearby, and at the site, three Feral Ghoul Roamers were found, pointing to the possibility of treasen between the recovery team, (one side wanted to leave the area, the other wanted to retrieve the plane.) A fight must have broke out, the remaining soldiers could possibly be the Ferals...

I'm sorry, I forgot to put my signature lol --Elvis Of The Wasts 21:53, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Where is the skelly?[]

Honestly, where in the name of shipoopi is this damn skeleton in a tree? I've been trying to find it for ten minutes, maybe adding a more specific location to the article would be useful. "Some distance from the crash site" is about as vague as it is possible to get. Chiliflamingo 19:11, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Found it the second after I posted this. For anyone else who's having trouble finding it, stand on the wing of the plane and look directly east, the parachute at the top of the tree is instantly noticeable. Chiliflamingo 19:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Alien Crash Site[]

Is this a possible reference to the Alien Crash Site in the core Fallout 3? PepterPepper 14:39, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

No. Nitty ^Tok. 14:41, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Very sad stuff here...[]

Anyone else kinda feel bad for that last stand guy? I did, and did you guys see the skelly on a bench near the lighthouse? That one really kinda made me feel bad. It had a 10mm pistol in hand with a bunch of beer bottles and a baby carridge nearby. Also it is likely that the last stand man is a smuggler or a scav. Was there only one seat in the cockpit? Or was the ammo box in the second seat?Point lookout is one sad place... DiarrheaDELUXE 21:07, July 1, 2010 (UTC)DiarrheaDELUXE

It did make me feel bad, even more so that I think that the last stand guy was a soldier from turtledove detention camp rather than a smuggler/scav. Who went out to help the downed pilot...at which point he gets attacked by a bunch of fucking hicks

Dont forget, the WHOLE DLC of Point LookOut is depressing, being in the sadistic marshes of MaryLand battling hicks who are murdering random people. There like Super Mutants, only weaker and even more insane. 70.44.234.51 17:51, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Why does the article keep talking about Swapfolk?[]

The jet crash happened on the day of the war, "Multiple flashpoints on the horizon" probably being nuclear explosions. Swampfolk were created by a combination of factors including radiation, and wouldn't exist instantaneously after the war. I'm editing all the mentions of swampfolk killing the pilot and soldier out as they simply don't make sense. FinalWish 17:05, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Swampfolk is a mental shortcut for "Hillbillies from Point Lookout".

_Tagaziel ^(call!) 18:54, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

They're called Swampfolk because that's what they were called before they became the hideous deformed Swampfolk they are now. Kris (talk) 19:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Err...shouldnt this article be revised?[]

They should take out the part about "The pilots death and the detention camp soldiers last stand." it doesnt make alot of sense...if the pilot crashed only a short time after the bombs fell...and the soldier went to check it out minutes later, un aware of the bombs most likely, what would make the SwampFolk evil so quickly? Why would they kill the pilot/soldier? They werent affected by the bombs in a matter of minutes, werent they most likely affected in weeks/months?

Y'all ain't familiar with the insularity/hostility to strangers of the peoples of remote rural regions, is ya? (and no, I'm not singling Americans out, either). Swampfolk were this way already, and only strengthened by gradual radiation and/or FEV exposure; these 'Coastal Hillbillies' were just as intolerant to outsiders before The Great War.

The presence of a second Combat Helmet implies a patrol from Turtledove Detention Camp, but it also greatly confuses the situation.

One interpretation sees a patrol (which wouldn't be a single soldier) coming out to investigate an overflight and crash of an aircraft nearby; the pilot ends trapped in the tree and is quickly killed by pre-War Swampfolk in his hindered state. The patrol finds the yokels attacking the 'intruding shiny bird' and a fight ensues, the result of which is indeterminable - two soldiers (possibly including the leading officer who only has a 10mm pistol (Fallout 3)) fall, but there are a LOT of skeletons with shovels & axes nearby. Entirely possible that part of the patrol survives the attack and drives off the worse-equipped Swampfolk, but then decide to retreat back to Turtledove, since the pilot is dead, and there's all these signs of an all-out nuclear exchange. As for the helmet and R91 near the pilot's tree? Possibly dropped by a deserting soldier who decided - with all the stresses of the moment - to give up and run away.

...or the patrol just lost a single rifle-carrying soldier next to the plane and never saw the pilot as he was killed before they arrived (and the weapons were swapped from their correct places by error).

...or the Swampfolk killed the pilot then lay in ambush waiting for the arrival of more 'strangers'. While the patrol was extracting the flight recorder, they struck, killed one pistol-wielding soldier and injured another, who dropped his weapon and helmet as dead weight as he was carried back to Turtledove.

...or the shovel-wielders were helpful townsfolk who came out to aid the military patrol in rescuing the pilot, and most of the corpses are the otherwise unarmed civilians slain either by ambushing Swampfolk wielding axes (who then dropped them to run, rather than hang around to pull them from the bodies) or accidental fire from surprised soldiers. This MIGHT also explain several cars no further south of the plane than the pilot's tree is to the east.

...or...ad infinitum

Another thing to consider is that the developers don't have a 'flight helmet' in the inventory of objects to use, so used the closest match they had to indicate a military pilot. Personally, I'd have chosen a Motorcycle helmet as a better match, but I wasn't in the situation, and "Hindsight is 20/20."

I agree that the page reads like several different theories are stitched together, but without a confirmed source over the intent of the site's layout, it seems inadvisable to give an account of what happened. As such, I suggest any inferences be excised from the article and it simply state the facts of the scene - a westward-facing plane crash with a corpse and parachute in a tree east of same with an R91 and helmet, and many skeletons (and don't get me started on how these bones remained in position for two centuries exposed to the elements and wild animals) with an assortment of shovels, axes and a single set of bones beside a military-issue pistol and combat helmet. An unlikely amount of loot for the capacity of the aircraft can be found around the wreckage, as well as the removed flight recorder.

Oh, and sign your posts! ;) Just gotta type "~" four times. --Jadedempath 01:55, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Remember that the black box recording mentions the bombs are falling at the time that the jet crash landed. My guess is that the locals killed the pilot because they thought he was involved in dropping the nukes. --

^(talk) 00:26, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Skeleton note[]

I don't understand the note in the article claiming that there is only one skeleton in the vicinity. There are a ton of skeletons on and around the jet. Can someone explain? Thanks. --^(talk) 00:25, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER[]

THE FINAL ANSWER WE CAN ALL AGREE ON

With variations, so that everyone is happy.

On the day of the bombs dropping, a USAF jet pilot, who was blinded by the nuclear explosions, crashed his jet (resembling a P-80 Shooting Star) in the dense marshlands of Point Lookout.

We can all agree on that.

He baled out of the jet, and landed in a tree, and survived/died on impact. A patrol from the Turtledove Camp/ a single soldier from the Turtledove Camp was sent to investigate.

More or less established truth.

The patrol/soldier gave an assault rifle to the trapped pilot but then were ambushed OR the patrol/soldier was ambushed by hostile hillbillys after discovering the dead pilot. They were killed/wiped out the hillbillys.

Further deviation.

ENDING ONE: The patrol then somehow became feral ghouls (as explained by the 2-3 combat-armour-wearing ghouls around) after losing 1 or 2 men to the hillbilly mob.

ENDING TWO: The soldier was killed (as explained by the skeleton armed with an Army-issue 10mm and Combat Helmet) after killing a large amount of badly-armed hillbillys. The pilot was then/beforehand killed by the mob.

ANOMALIES: If the pilot was indeed killed on impact, then the assault rifle shouldn't be on the floor next to him, unless dropped by an Army soldier. The Combat Helmet+Armour next to the pilot is probably just a space-filler as the production team didn't have a Flight Helmet or suit to hand, and the function to search skeletons has been removed- so they had to put the Combat-Armour-supposed-to-be-Flight-Suit on the floor. If you believe the single soldier approach, then the feral ghouls a bit further into the marsh are simply ghoulified soldiers from the Detention Camp.

OK?

It is still speculation. OK? Don't add it again.

^Skål! 14:01, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry 86.142.123.173 14:16, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ejection seat[]

Pointless talk-page hostilities aside, I find it funny that a seat still remains in the cockpit of the aircraft, presuming that the "loud handle" means the ejection handle (loud being the explosive bolts blowing and the rocket-seat launching).

That confused me when I first found the location. The "loud handle" is the ejection handle, just as you say. But the seat and skeletons made me assume that the pilot hadn't been able to eject in time after all, and had died in the crash (or had dragged himself out of the wreck, only to be killed by the locals). I only noticed the parachute in the tree quite a while later. Raynerl (talk) 05:26, November 26, 2014 (UTC)