Talk: Dripleaf

A merge request[]

We Have 8  Support, 1  Neutral, and 6  Oppose Note two of the  Support are  Very Strong Support

On the pages Big Dripleaf and Small Dripleaf, they have a merge template. Personally, I  Oppose the merge as Wheat and Wheat Seeds are split, same with Stem and Pumpkin & Melon. Also, only small dripleaf is sold by Wandering Traders. Any thoughts?Humiebee (talk) 20:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 Oppose They are two different blocks with different behaviours, textures and models.94.252.122.26 07:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Support Big dripleaves grow on small ones.--Olivia Capucine Elisabet (talk) 08:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Actually I think amethyst cluster is more similar to this case as big dripleaf and small dripleaf are just different growth stages of a same kind of plant. Additionally, there's not much information in the two pages and merging them is not likely to be confusing. Therefore, I  Support the merge. --Hatsuki kiri〔T〕 09:26, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Very Strong Support They are both dripleaf, just different sizes. Illagercaptain (talk | contribs | website) 15:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Support I don't see a good reason to keep them separate. Merging lessens confusion and keeps it consistent with pages such as Seagrass and Bamboo 5.103.151.250 12:20, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment As with consistency, Seagrass and Tall Seagrass don't have any different functionallity, same with bamboo saplings. There are also other plant pages which are split which have different behavious, textures, and models like Beetroot Seeds and Beetroot. Note that there is one inconsistancy, Amethyst Shard I don't want them merged but I'm pretty sure most people want it to be kept merged.Humiebee (talk) 12:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Support You can just make different sections of the page for each page instead of putting them on different pages.Andexter (talk) 4:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

 Support Small dripleaves (dripleafs?) behave very much like "dripleaf saplings" and don't seem notable, distinct or unique enough to warrant their own page. – Unsigned comment added by Pescavelho (talk • contribs) at 16:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

 Support As small dripleafs and big dripleafs are different blocks, rather than growth stages of the same plant, and by precedent, given that saplings and crop seeds are separate pages. Pescavelho (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment Wouldn't saplings be enough to warrent a new page? Like with Sapling and Tree. (the latter has been split)Humiebee (talk) 13:00, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment Hmmm... I suppose, I might change my vote if that is possible, I now see more reason to keep the pages separate rather than merged. Pescavelho (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment Do the Small and Big Dripleafs have a different blast resistance/hardness or anything else other than the fact Big Dripleafs can be stood on for 2 seconds? Falconpunch100 (talk) 21:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment Yes! They at least have different hardnesses. Small ones break instantly while big ones have a hardness of above zero at least. They can also be obtained by mining them using any tool while small one only drop when mined with shears. They also have completly different placement rules: Small dripleaves require a water source block to be placed in unless they are placed on clay and can generally only be placed on dirt-like blocks while big dripleaves can be placed on any block even without needing water. Small driplaves also do not naturally grow into big ones, they require bone meal for that. Using bone meal on big dripleaves however serves an entirely different purpose. So small ones arent earlier growth stages of the big ones like e.g. amethyst buds are for Amethyst clusters. Therefore I  Oppose the merge. ChainofNothing (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment Allow and Deny are different, but are in the same page. Why not Dripleaf?

 Comment Because they only have a single difference. That one allows building, the other denies it. That difference also concerns the same issue, they make opposites to the same issue. This is in no way comparable to the plethora of differences between big and small dripleaves. ChainofNothing (talk) 16:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment But they are both Dripleaf. Just different sizes. Illagercaptain (talk | contribs | website) 14:03, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment But they are both beef. Just different hunger restoration See how that is not a good argument?Humiebee (talk) 19:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment Dripleaf isn't beef. Illagercaptain (talk | contribs | website) 15:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Duh, thats obvious. I'm saying why the 2 are not merged. Wheat Seed and Wheat are even closer, they have the same hardness, similar drops BUT why not say But they are both Wheat. Just different growth stages. Consistancy, consistancy. I even used a plant this time.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 12:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

 Comment I previously  Supported this merge. It seems like many of the arguments made in support of keeping Glow Berries and cave vines as one page could be used in support of this, as Small Dripleaf is essentially the seed and immature form of Big Dripleaf. Additionally, I feel that it should be noted that Wheat contains the craftable item, while Wheat Seeds contains all growth stages of the block form, which makes a fair argument in favor of the merge. PegasusDust (talk) 23:44, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

On the other hand, I have also seen decent reasons to  Oppose this merge, including the fact that shears are required to obtain small dripleaf, but big dripleaf can be obtained with any tool. Given that both have a different hardness level as well, the whole page is likely to be full of (big dripleaf only) and (small dripleaf only) tags, implying that they should be kept seperate. My current stance in this discussion is  Neutral, leaning a little towards  Opposition. PegasusDust (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

 CommentYou can add separate info boxes for the small dripleaf and big dripleaf Andexter (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I'll  Oppose These are not the same thing User:SlipperySoapFanatic64

 Comment I rescind my support, though I don't fully oppose this merge either. I feel like there are reasonable reasons for either view, and so am not against either potential option. PegasusDust (talk) 04:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment I dont't feel like small dripleaves are the earlier growth stage of big dripleaves. They don't grow into them on their own but require player intervention. They have different hardnesses, placement rules, uses for bone meal used on them. They feel more like a sapling and a tree which are seperate. This situation is also not comparable with glow berries since glow berries are simply the item form of cave vines, same with wheat seeds and the wheat block. Small and big dripleaves however are 2 seperate blocks, or structures actually since they consist of multiple blocks each. ChainofNothing (talk) 07:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

 Comment They also have different sounds as well.Humiebee (talk) 17:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I  Oppose, like wheat seeds and wheat. MetalManiac at ya' service fellow human! (talk) 10:10, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

 Oppose per above comments. TheGreatSpring (talk) 10:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

 Oppose, they are two different blocks, and have different hardness. Pietropil2 (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

i support this cuz cmon yknow there is a lot of support for merging--0fficialyeetboi (talk) 06:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Well the only similarities are that small dripleaves grow into big ones. The differences are that they are different blocks with different mining speeds using no tools. TheGreatSpring (talk | contribs) (Tagalog translation) 06:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

 Oppose: Small dripleaves and big dripleaves are more different functionally and in appearence. If those two are merged into this page, the page may contain many words for distinguish, making readers confused. Therefore, I would like to keep the two dripleaves as independent pages and make the page dripleaf as a disambiguation. --Ultim_0 ( USER | TALK | CONT ) 14:26, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 Very Strong Support,they are alike,they should be merged.--LYX2009 (talk) 11:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Stale[]

This discussion is starting to get stale, the last edit was more than a month ago. So far, we have 6 oppositions (including 1 ip) and 5 supports oppositions (including 1 ip). We also have 2 that are neutral and one that is unknown. To any one who is neutral about this, should I remove the merge templates or is it too close?Humiebee^{talk contribs} 20:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

You said Oppositions twice though... Falconpunch10070481 (talk) 20:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Fixed.Humiebee^{talk contribs} 21:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

This Discussion Is No Longer Stale Andexter (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Test Page[]

Is there a possibility of turning dripleaf into a test page? Essentially, we keep Small Dripleaf and Big Dripleaf as separate pages for now, but turn dripleaf into what it would be if the two pages were merged, making sure that redirects are kept at the top. Assuming that this is allowed, it would make a good visual for users who are still wondering whether or not a merge would be useful.PegasusDust (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Support: Seems to be a good idea. Then everybody can realize how the advantages and disadvantages are. --Ultim_0 ( USER | TALK | CONT ) 14:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

I feel that they should not be added together because the small drip leaf is way harder to have that a drip leaf considering none of them will ever respawn in your world nor can you grow a small drip leaf so i feel it would add confushion on how the leaf is obtained and how you shouldnt waste them growing them into larger leaf's. The plant honestly needs a rework because of how little spawn and how cool they are. - 73.118.206.44 06:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

 Very Strong Oppose I'm not sure how we're supposed to post our vote. It makes more sense to create a table with 1 sentence or less rows or columns on the dripleaf page that tells the basics of both dripleaf blocks, where to get them, what tool works best, what blocks they can grow/be placed on, water, no water, bonemeal or no, and then if the reader wants more whole sentences information, click the link to go to the page that talks only about the type of dripleaf he or she wants to learn about. – Unsigned comment added by Hike63 (talk • contribs) at 19:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

Okay, uhh, guys, this conversation has been going on for way too long, a year longer than it possibly needed to. With how many people are Opposed instead of Supporting the merge, I suppose the best thing to do is to keep both articles as-is and to drop this discussion entirely, since we're getting nowhere with agreeing. Falconpunch100 (talk) 00:27, 20 October 2022 (UTC)