Talk: Ranger Sequoia

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Pfeifer-Zeliska![]

Anyone else think this looks like the elusive .600 nitro express magnum Pfeifer-Zeliska, with a gold-plated hammer? Yuri Kaslov

Firstly, I thought that was a purely Photoshopped idea.

Second, it says 'rifle' rounds. So, this'll be like a .223 pistol. Nitty ^Tok. 20:48, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well, .600 technically counts as a rifle-calibre round. Albeit a really big fucking round. And what do you mean by "photoshopped?" The Pfeifer-Zeliska or the Ranger Sequoia? Yuri Kaslov

It's based on the BFR and fires .45-70 Govt, as confirmed by Sawyer on the forums.--Resplendant Securitron 23:14, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

One could say it's a Deagle Brand Revolver.

But it's not, it's confirmed as based on the BFR, as stated above. And sign your posts Pratstercs 21:54, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Someone left a message on my talk page...[]

An anonymous user said this: "Seriously? I write an entire page on a new weapon complete with people, which doesn't get posted for a while (maybe because I am a new account), then you come along an write a new description based on the stuff I wrote and it gets submitted with your name attached" referring to this weapon.

I'm not sure what you're seeing, but from where I see, the page was created by StackOfHay; the only thing I did was edit the Characteristics section. I'm certainly not taking credit for the article, but articles aren't owned by anyone. --Kris 16:04, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

So if this is a unique version of the hunting revolver, will there only be one? or will there just be a few carried by only rangers? 70.179.38.132 00:19, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to what keeps me up at night, 70.179.38.132.--Resplendant Securitron 01:09, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Unique typically means only one. But the implication is that there's more than one, and when it comes down to it, "unique" is just a character string in the Editor ID. There's unique versions of every Merc outfit in Fallout 3, but they're not truly unique in any real sense since they're everywhere, named the same as the normal version, and have the same appearance and stats. This wiki doesn't consider them unique because it's clear that they're not meant to be one-of-a-kind. Only time will tell how this gun turns out. --Kris 04:19, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting. That explains why sometimes I found merc outfits that didn't show up in the build lists of the others, I'd assume? Anyway, it's possible that this could be only "unique" in the sense that there's a finite amount of them, that there only say, 5 of them carried by the most Elite Rangers, who themselves are named NPCs. Something like that would make sense.--Resplendant Securitron 03:02, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say it sounds similar to a Fallout 3 weapon, Stabhappy, which was considered a semi-unique combat knife that re-spawned on the same raider every three days. So the Ranger Sequoia maybe either a semi-unique or just a rare variant of the Hunting Revolver or it maybe something along the lines of the Stab Happy knife. Draco122 10:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's a bit premature to think it's similar to Stabhappy; as I recall, that weapon was on a unique raider that was incorrectly set to repsawn, thus making it unique except for a bug. --Kris 15:55, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Right, similar to the bug that caused a raider to respawn with a big guns skill book- I don't think that they intended to have infinite skill books any more than infinite stabhappies. The Sequoia might be a different story though. In a way I think it would be a shame if you could get infinite Ranger Sequoias, because it's a very distinctive looking weapon- finely crafted, and having a pile of them cheapens it a bit.--Resplendant Securitron 00:12, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Do we know if this is indeed unique, apart from the bug where Hanlon carries two (one stolen, one from Return to Sender)? Pratstercs 16:59, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

YES!!![]

and now my non erotic wasteland cowboy dream has been fulfilled75.169.184.180 20:05, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Anon

is its location confirmed?

Location[]

How does anyone know where the location is? Links to confirmation?

Does anyone think the methods of obtainment in the location section are a little unnecessary? If every method and reprecussion was included it would be really long, Seems like saying Chief Hanlon and Veteran rangers carry it is more than enough, if people wanted to know more they could use the link to either of them.--Zombarian 05:09, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Unique?[]

If it is sometimes found on NCR Veteran Rangers (like in one YouTube video), then its only a rare weapon, and not a unique?

Yes indeed. Rare until late-game (Elite Rangers), so not unique by definition. It does not belong on the unique page. I suspect most people THINK it is unique because Hanlon drops it.

Putting item back on unique as geck lists only one use with a NPC, vids can be faked by either use of console commands to add inventory or reverse pick pocketing before killing a NPC. Avatar 18:02, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Check again. Used by 1 NPC (2CHanlon) and placed in the game in one location (2CCmpGolfResort) makes at minimum 2 instances of the gun ingame. Add to that its existence on a leveled list which can be traced to the leveled lists of NCR Ranger Veterans, and this weapon, while rare, is not unique. --Kris 18:52, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

As in the summary: The weapon is listed with exact one leveled item "LVLI", the first entry in the use info list. There are finally 19 different NPCs listed wich can hold this item via LVLI, an one NPC wich has it in every game. 91.39.105.111 18:50, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

LOL damn you Kris, you responded a lot quicker than I expected to fully investigate and save me the effort ;)

Now are you going to go and look at why people keep changing the Mysterious Magnums statues on the main weapons page or do I have to post there as well ;) Avatar 20:23, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

I got one on the body of one of the NCR hitmen at level 12 (the ones coming to tell you must improve your relationship with the NCR within 3 days or else). Got the veteran ranger armor and helmet too. The veteran ranger is always part of the hit team and the first time they appeared I got a brush gun, second time a ranger sequoia. So it is far from unique and I suppose it CAN be obtained at any level.--Croquignol (talk) 09:36, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Unlimited copies[]

Most npc's in the game will have a new weapon (of the same type) after some time has passed, has only checked to see if this gun also respawns for the npc? Mictlantecuhtli 15:34, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Karma loss[]

If you steal this weapon off of Hanlon, whenever you drop it and pick it back up you will continue to loose Karma from it each time you repeat it. Also selling it to a merchant and buying it back will not remove the stolen tag. I found this out while I was trying to put it on display in my lucky 38 suite.

Can't confirm this. With my Version (PC, Patch 1.02), it will have the stolen tag whenever I drop it, so it will turn red when dropped. But I only lost Karma the first time when I reverse pickpocketed it off Hanlon, I don't lose Karma when I pick it up again even though I'm "stealing" the weapon. (88.152.173.197 20:58, December 16, 2010 (UTC))

Easiest Possible Way to Obtain[]

Regardless of what you did with Hanlon in the quest the easiest way to get this gun is to take some C4 and put it behind his chair when he is on the balcony then jump off of it and crouch making sure you are hidden. Detonate the C4 and his corpse should fly off the balcony and land on the ground in front of the door. Loot his corpse for the gun and walk away like nothing happened. No karma loss, no NCR fame loss. Make sure you save first just in case. 67.184.55.83 02:41, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Or you could just use a stealth boy and shoot him in the back of the head with any silenced weapon... (I prefer the silenced 12.7mm pistol myself) --173.28.228.84 21:44, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Bear's not Two-headed[]

Take a head count on that guys guys, It's not two headed.

Of course it's not. The single headed bear is the official symbol of the Rangers. Trizzip 01:42, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Weapon damage discrepancy - did they nerf this gun?[]

I have the PC version, newest Patch (1.02). Some mods installed, none of which affecting weapons. In the wiki the damage is 70, DPS 104. I just reverse pickpocketed this weapon from Hanlon and I got, with standard .45-70 rounds, DAM 58 DPS 123. My guns skill is 85 and strength is 6, so both skill requirements are fulfilled. With hollowpoint rounds I get DAM 101, DPS 196. So while the damage is sky-high with hollowpoint rounds, it's not really that useful against armored targets, as standard rounds don't do nearly as much damage and I haven't found AP rounds yet. Does anyone else get these DAM and DPS values? Is it because of the new patch? --88.152.173.197 21:48, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Just because you meet the skill requirement doesn't mean you're getting the max damage out of the weapon. Maybe those 15 points will make a difference? :P

There is no AP .45-70 either; the closest is SWC, which cuts out a little DT. Nitty ^Tok. 14:58, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well think about it. A hollow-point round multiplies a targets DT by x3, so if you shoot a target with 20 DT like a Ranger Veteran, then the HP round treats the DT like it's 3 times higher than it actually is, so 60 DAM will be taken away from that shot, leaving you with final, and somewhat paltry damage of just 41. --TJbrena 16:32, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Could someone do a little math for me?[]

I want to know the max damage for this weapon with a sneak crit with all possible perks and hollow point ammunition. let's assume the target has 0 DT as well.

It does 353.58 damage with better criticals, the cowboy perk, bloody mess and lord of death. If you are using psycho it is increased to 441.975. P.S sign your posts. From the desk of kevin obkirchner 01:30, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

And The Professional perk too?, that affects revolvers, pistols and submachine guns sneak attack critial by %20

LOL[]

I have to say that it looks like the pfeifer zeliska 600 nitro express revolver...

double action or single action?[]

It says this is a double action. I thought this gun was a single action pistol. I can't remember exactly but doesn't courier pull the hammer back manually after each shot? Zac hemker 15:16, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

This is done with most revolvers in the game. A double action revolver can be cocked like a single action revolver before firing or by pulling the trigger. Cocking the hammer reduces how much you have to pull the trigger before firing.

I understand that, but how is it used in the game? And if the courier does cock the hammer after each shot, how do we know that it's a double action at all? Zac hemker 01:37, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Never does the Courier's hand go anywhere near the hammer. It's double action.--With care and happiness, Supermutantslayer450' YOU. LOSE. 21:07, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong Sound Effect?[]

The sound effect the Ranger Sequoia makes is that of the .44 Magnum, isn't it supposed to sound like the Hunting Revolver!?38.120.11.197 20:33, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Good point. I could tell you how to fix this in the GECK it would be really easy. an0my^(talk) 19:17, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Bug?[]

whenever i take the Ranger off of the chief Hanlon at Camp Golf.i will lose karma every time i pick it up and drop it.is it a bug?,or is it supposed to do that? Elite 20:15, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

You're stealing therefore you lose karma. an0my^(talk) 19:16, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah its a bug, you could try to sell it then buy it back that should fix it, if not than i have no other ideas--Chargersphinx 01:55, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sequoia?[]

Like it says in the "Behind the Scenes" log, it says Sequoia is known as the california redwood tree. Could the NCR(who happen to be based out of Cali) have used surviving redwoods for the grip? Sounds reasonable to me. --Tactical Gamer 04:36, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

It's probably just a reference to california where they originated i doubt there are any surviving sequoia trees--Chargersphinx 01:57, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Maximum Damage Potential[]

With Cowboy, The Professional, Better Criticals, Hand Loader SWCs and Hollow Points. It will do 90 damage per hit and a total of 195(390 sneak attack) critical damage while ignoring 6 DT. 129 Damage and 229(458 sneak attack) critical damage with Hollow Points, while increasing DT by 3x. an0my^(talk) 19:19, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

This is a bit late, but I don't think that's quite the maximum. What if it was the ranger sequoia in perfect condition, firing hollow point rounds into an unarmoured target, having 100 in guns, getting a sneak attack critical with Lily as a companion and having taken psycho, and with the perks Cowboy, The Professional, Better Criticals, Bloody Mess, and Apocalypse Ain't Got Nothing On Me? Imagine the damage then... 66.189.93.217 23:21, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Plus Yao guai meat, plus Just Lucky I'm Alive, plus...hmm...make the target a Cazador, with Entomologist, three ranks of Bug Stomper, three ranks of DNAvenger and Implant C-13...there's a good deal more one could do here. 24.125.173.239 01:30, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Very Competitive with the Brush Gun[]

Pros: Highly accurate (0.01 spread vs Brush Gun's 0.06,) Higher Crit Multiplier (x1 vs x1.5) an0my^(talk) 19:19, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh, no. The brush gun has 0.01 spread; the sequoia has 0.6 spread, making it somewhat uncompetitive against the brush gun. It also has more ammo per full mag, so it cn do more overall damage. --Bottletopman 11:08, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

The Ranger Sequoia only win against Brush Gun in one category; it can be fully reloaded in 3s while the Brush Gun must be reloaded round by round. However, the Brush Gun (not counting the Medicine Stick which is even better) wins in everything else. Flaktrooper, October 27, 2011.

Durability[]

I think it should be pointed out that the durability on the Ranger Sequoia is much lower than the Hunting Revolver, since it seems this is part of the reason why it is so much less valuable. Using things like built to destroy and custom ammo exacerbates the problem cartoonishly, so this makes it something as significant as the value or damage when taking the merits of this gun into consideration. (I'm doing a revolvers only run through and the Sequoia was the only weapon I brought with me into Zion Canyon. The frequency which with it had to be maintained for optimum performance was a bit exasperating.)

real world variant?[]

anyone know what gun this was based on? i added an image but someone removed it without good reasoning. --God weapon weilder 02:42, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Without good reasoning? Because there totally aren't several editor's notes on the page specifically saying that Magnum Research BFR references will be removed. Feel free to brush up on the site policies before trying to talk about reasoning. ^Message 02:44, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

hey, guess what, they are not there.--God weapon weilder 02:46, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Look again. ^Message 02:52, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

i hate to inform you, but when you use the "add image" button, that warning does not appear, it only appears when you edit the entire page.--God weapon weilder 01:12, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Against All Tyrants - Desert Rangers?[]

Can anyone confirm for me whether the term that's engraved into the handgrip "Against all Tyrants" is NCR in origin? I understand that with the Ranger Unification Treaty a lot of equipment and traditions were brought into the NCR Rangers by the Desert Rangers, like the duster coat on the Veteran Rangers and their general usage of old-styled rifles and revolvers. So is that motto the motto of the Desert Rangers or the NCR Rangers?

I know the Desert Rangers are really only a nod to Wasteland, but so little about them is told about in the Fallout world. I'm just curious is all. Thanks. NotXigris (talk) 06:39, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Has to be the NCR rangers, as the Desert Rangers used any weapons they were able to get during the events of Wasteland. They standard issued 9mm and 45ACP pistols, and had access to AK variants, so the cowboy old-western theme is also most likely from NCR(even though by Fallout 2, their police forces were decked out with Pancor Jackhammers and FN FALs). 184.56.90.168 02:53, June 19, 2014 (UTC)