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If there is going to be a season 3, they'll definitely keep the Ghoul alive, but if season 2 is the final season I could see him dying in the last episode, redeeming himself by saving Lucy or something.
^ I feel like they’ll go for a Season 3, it just because that’s usually how long these shows last for
I agree that any of the main characters dying feels like a final season thing, with how we've seen the story set up so far.
If the treatment of Shady Sands in S1 is anything to go by then I'd expect either Hoover Dam or New Vegas itself to be destroyed. Case in point, it's far easier to build a new foundation of a story for a casual audience when you remove the previous foundation. And I'm saying that as purely a fan of the show. It's a legitimate approach, just a bit of a disappointing one.
I have to disagree (at least on the "why" part) for Hoover Dam/NV being destroyed in season 2. Howard went on record about the destruction of Shady Sands stating that he discussed this with the showrunners making sure that it would be an impactful event for Fallout's story.
If they keep destroying important locations there is no impact.
In addition, it was mentioned by several individuals involved in the show and those who were consulted from the Fallout team that the TV show went through a very laborious process of sticking to what's been established in the franchise. The show was not made to just create a new foundation for TV viewers; it's it's own event in the wider series.
That may be so but by the showrunners own justification for getting rid of Shady Sands was to in effect wipe the slate back to a wasteland stage from where it was at until then (a sort of Post-Post Apocalypse under the NCR). It's great that they gave the destruction some relevance to the plot but the lack of overt connections to the other established Post-War Californian settlements like the Hub and Junktown or even Adytum (The Boneyard's largest settlement) didn't help from a lore perspective which can make it feel like it's creating its own foundation (more of a fan issue anyway).
The big kicker will be what becomes of the NCR in the end as it's up to S2 to definitively answer that question. I'm hoping they can make New Vegas and/or Hoover Dam plot relevant but not in the same way they did for Shady Sands. Though New Vegas is looking partially destroyed in the end credits of Episode 8 so it's really hard to tell what they're going for at this stage. Destroying things won't make anything impactful, you're right about that. I'm just basing it off what little we saw of New Vegas in Episode 8.
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That may be so but by the showrunners own justification for getting rid of Shady Sands was to in effect wipe the slate back to a wasteland stage from where it was at until then (a sort of Post-Post Apocalypse under the NCR)
Any source for this? Because it sounds like only the same doomposting that's happened for a decade now regarding Bethesda's handling of Fallout.
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https://www.thegamer.com/fallout-showrunners-shady-sands-ncr-story-isnt-over-yet/
I have no idea what doom posting is but I haven't mentioned Bethesda at all. This is what I'm basing it from. It's sort of a generalisation. Hope that helps. I'm hoping that the NCR gets a redemption story but we'll see.
^But nothing in that article actually backs up your claim.
It states that they did not want the Wasteland to be rebuilt into a new recovered America. This is something a substantial amount of players will agree on, and you wouldn't have to go very far back on /d to find a talk about it. On the contrary to your claim, this also included the quote from Todd confirming the NCR survived the attack. Nowhere that the slate is being wiped clean, only that the status quo that has existed since the series began is not changing: pockets of order amidst the ruins.
"Doomposting" is internet discussion founded on overexaggerations rather than fact. Essentially being negative for the sake of being negative. In the Fallout community there is a long-standing history of doomposting that Bethesda intends to ruin the Fallout franchise. One thread that pops up is that the new writers are changing everything in the setting so that Bethesda can "make it their own". Hence why I compared your claim about the showrunners' intentions to discussion we've already seen a lot of in the community.
Aside: You didn't say Bethesda by name, but the show's creators included some of the Bethesda staff, talked with staff about continuity and story, and had the backing of Bethesda to be the creators of both an extension of the Fallout story to date and a licensed product on its own. For all intents and purposes: the Fallout show is as much Bethesda's as AMGM's.
Granted, my initial post sounded more negative than I had wanted it to. But I was mostly meaning the foundation of New California has changed. The status quo established in Fallout 2 and reinforced in New Vegas feels different, at least partially with the significance of newer towns, places, people and lack of references to the older established ones. As I say, I hope the NCR gets a redemption story in S2 or something future storyline.
That's fair enough. If I had any gripes with the show I would usually direct them at the showrunners instead of Bethesda such as lore inconsistencies. In any case I feel like it's worth leaving this conversation as it is. There's not much more to add to it without turning into a debate. Still though, I respect your opinion on the matter!
What do you think?