Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 8
April 8
[edit]Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán can be discussed separately, if one wishes to pursue that. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not sure why we even have this, it seems to be an extension of the POV issues plaguing Mr. Gyurcsány here and it also seems to curiously exclude Fizdez, his primary opposition. Allan Nonymous (talk) 22:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we do not have an opposition category for every separate government. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Some of the political parties listed here have nearly 40 years of history. Some of the members were probably not even alive during Gyurcsány's term in office. Not a useful categorization for parties. Dimadick (talk) 14:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but... should we then also delete Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán? Both categories were created last year and seem to serve a similar purpose. NLeeuw (talk) 19:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Allan Nonymous what do you think as nom? You might not have seen this. There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. Technically speaking, Gyurcsány has been in "opposition" to Orbán since 2010, and since 2022 the opposition leader, so if we mean formal parliamentary opposition, the scope of the Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány should be limited to 2004 to 2009, while Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán could be scoped to 1998-2002 and 2010-present. Then again, maybe we should call it "Opposition to the Orban Government(s)" or something instead of "to Viktor Orbán" personally. NLeeuw (talk) 07:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I feel there is a case for having the Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán without this article, given the fact that Orban has had a much bigger impact on Hungary, but more to the point, that is a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point I can agree with. As I said, There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. I'm not saying we should treat them equally (Orban is in a much more authoritarian position than Gyurcsány ever was), but I do think we should compare the two categories, and then make a decision. NLeeuw (talk) 20:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I feel there is a case for having the Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán without this article, given the fact that Orban has had a much bigger impact on Hungary, but more to the point, that is a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Allan Nonymous what do you think as nom? You might not have seen this. There could be a reason for having both, having neither, or having one but not the other. Technically speaking, Gyurcsány has been in "opposition" to Orbán since 2010, and since 2022 the opposition leader, so if we mean formal parliamentary opposition, the scope of the Category:Opposition to Ferenc Gyurcsány should be limited to 2004 to 2009, while Category:Opposition to Viktor Orbán could be scoped to 1998-2002 and 2010-present. Then again, maybe we should call it "Opposition to the Orban Government(s)" or something instead of "to Viktor Orbán" personally. NLeeuw (talk) 07:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Native American characters in video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Effectively duplicative with the older Category:Video games featuring Native American protagonists, and most of the entries are video games, not characters. Delete without merging down. -- ferret (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as duplicative, as nom states. Nothing lost in deletion anyways, as there were many instances of the newer version being wrongly or poorly implemented anyways. (Many DEFINING violations.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep there's a difference between these two categories. "characters in video games" are notable characters in the game while "protagonists" are lead characters. By comparison, there is a category called "Category:Black characters in video games" and also Category:Video games featuring black protagonists. Native American characters in video games are a lot rarer and deserve categories to help people find them, raise awareness and for research. Artanisen (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- But that's just it. How often is a game's non-protagonist side character's race going to be an DEFINING trait of a game on a whole? And as ferret notes, it doesn't make sense that your category is framed as about characters but was mostly applied to video game articles, not character articles. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that in some games the Native American character plays a (very) minor role, while in others they are an important part of the story and gaming experience. If their role is too minor then they can be removed from the category. For example in the Red Dead Redemption games and Red Dead Revolver, the Native American characters play a significant role in the storyline, but they aren't protagonists. As in defining, well the interaction between the cowboys and Native Americans is an essential part of the main story and activities. -Artanisen (talk) 22:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- The counter-argument categories are populated with characters. This one is populated with video games, except for one (Nightwolf), who is in the duplicative category already. -- ferret (talk) 23:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I put Nightwolf in "Native American characters in video games", because he's an important character in Mortal Kombat, but not a protagonist. Other characters are described in the articles of the video games. If necessary more information can be added about the characters. This game Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, the title of the game "Guardian of Light" refers to the Mayan warrior named Totec. Totec is playable in cooperative play. So Totec is one of the most important characters in this game together with Lara Croft. In Shadow Hearts: From the New World, the protagonist is Johnny Garland, while Shania is his female counterpart. Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2, each have a couple of important native American characters. Without these characters the story wouldn't work. - Artanisen (talk) 09:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- But that's just it. How often is a game's non-protagonist side character's race going to be an DEFINING trait of a game on a whole? And as ferret notes, it doesn't make sense that your category is framed as about characters but was mostly applied to video game articles, not character articles. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, if it is not about a protagonist then it is nor a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - when I first read this category title, I thought it was for Native American characters who debuted in video games, not for video games with Native American characters. Maybe the category could just be redefined. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I believe that the necessary reworking would pretty much lead us to the category ferret noted already exists. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Note that Category:Fictional Native American people in video games already exists for categorizing characters (not necessarily the games they are part of), although note hatnote that this category is for A) American Indians in the United States, and B) Is not for fictional characters merely "coded" with some American Indian attributes. I suspect that this category might be a better use of what the category creator intended. SnowFire (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Category:Fictional Native American people in video games has a lot of overlap with this category. Usually the term "character" is used for video game characters instead of "Fictional people". Native American usually refers to indigenous people from the USA. It could also be used as a broader term for indigenous people from the Americas (North, Central and South America). - Artanisen (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- This shows further duplication with existing categories that can (and do) serve this purpose. -- ferret (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge this category into Category:Fictional Native American people in video games. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- On a somewhat related subject, I think we should also discuss proposing a merger of Category:Fictional Native American women into Category:Fictional Native American people (for the same reasons that the former category Category:Fictional Jewish women was merged into Category:Fictional Jews). AHI-3000 (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Recipients of Indian civil awards and decorations
Category:Feminist historians
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Category:Feminist philosophers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Feminist philosophers to Category:Scholars of feminist philosophy
- Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist philosophy rather than a category of philosophers who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:International Booker Prize winners
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Feminist theologians
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Feminist theologians to Category:Scholars of feminist theology
- Nominator's rationale: rename to clarify that this is about feminist theology rather than a category of theologians who happen to support feminism. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Same logic as the rename for Atheism writers to writers about atheism. Mason (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Fellowship
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF, WP:OCAWARD PepperBeast (talk) 20:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People associated with identity politics
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlaps with the much better expanded tree of Category:Activists, which contains among others Category:Activists by ethnicity. It is also a matter of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH. It's also typically an accusation against an opponent, which is usually denied. Few people will proudly advocate for identity politics themselves. So per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT it should also be deleted. NLeeuw (talk) 10:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Odisha Sahitya Akademi
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. I will manually recategorize Odisha Sahitya Akademi. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category contains only one item. PepperBeast (talk) 20:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom but add the article to the parent categories manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Israel Prize in translation recipients
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one article PepperBeast (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete also per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:Recipients of the Padma Shri in literature & education
Recipients of the Sahitya Akademi Award
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in Africa
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There's not enough content to justify this level of diffusion. Please be aware that the IP making all of these requests is being extremely disruptive on CFD. And is evading their block Mason (talk) 15:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- With eight and six articles respectively (and more to come) would you consider differently? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Define what's "not enough content". There are many churches in the oldest former colonies which date back to the 17th or 16th century. Meanwhile @Samasongarrison please clarify your point about IP being disruptive. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- To the closer, the ip is most likely: WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- LTAHKGW? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Considering the current content of the categories, I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair, especially now that there's content. Mason (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau
[edit] Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 16#Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Portuguese Macau
Infrastructure
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Category:French forts in the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 03:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:French forts in the United States to Category:French forts in New France
- Nominator's rationale: This seems anachronistic. These forts were not "in the United States" when they were built and only became so later on. User:Namiba 02:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, or perhaps simply Category:Forts in New France. Category:French forts in Canada may be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if these forts still existed at the time Canada was established, then the category is correct. And there was also the colony of Canada, New France and colony of United Canadas, British North America -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if these forts still existed at the time that the USA took over the territory, then they are correct. Such as many forts acquired in the Louisiana Purchase. Or any ruins/museums that still exist today -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- After the United States took them over they were no longer "French forts" and, as American forts, the articles are already in e.g. Category:Colonial forts in Tennessee. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is not only a proposed renaming but also an extension of scope; forts in New France that were not in provinces which became the United States will be covered as a result. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Which is perfectly fine. New France has never been divided in an American and a Canadian part. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Mason (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I think some people aren't reading closely what this category is meant to group, namely: List of French forts in North America which still exist today, but further subgrouped into Canada and the United States. Which country or colony or state or polity or empire or republic etc. they were part of at the time of their construction is not the point of the "United States" part of the category name. If we're really pedantic about it, this category is about Category:Forts constructed by the Kingdom of France in its New France colony in North America which still exist today on the territory of the United States of America despite being constructed before that territory became U.S. territory. But that's a little long, so I think the current name Category:French forts in the United States is fine.
NLeeuw (talk) 14:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- PS: An Alt Rename might be Category:Former French forts in the United States or Category:French-built forts in the United States, but I think that requires renaming the underlying main article List of French forts in North America first. NLeeuw (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I have initiated a Requested move at Talk:Architecture of the United States#Requested move 16 April 2024, which is directly relevant to our discussions here. You might want to participate in it. It could resolve the question, especially the example of Category:Colonial architecture in the United States, as we might regard French forts in the United States as an example of "French colonial architecture in the United States". We've already got Category:British colonial architecture in the United States and Category:Spanish Colonial architecture in the United States. NLeeuw (talk) 06:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Mild oppose. Try as I might, I just don't see the issue with the status quo. Categories don't need to be rigidly synchronic. Classifying by present-day geography adds value for readers and editors, and the proposed rename/consolidation would lose information. No particular objection to renaming to Category:Former French forts in the United States etc. as suggested above, but I would note that this would not work for the North America cat since one of these sites is still in France. If the issue is that "French forts" could be genuinely confusing to some readers who would expect the category to contain modern-day French military facilities, maybe something like Category:Sites of French forts in the United States could work. But again, I don't really see a need to disturb the status quo. -- Visviva (talk) 01:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rathores
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Rathore (clan). (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, Rathore is not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, cleanup, possibly rename. Looks defining for many pages in it. - Altenmann >talk 14:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann: rename to what exactly? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Category:Rathore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), just like Category:Bargujar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), because it is not about individual persons who happen to be Rathors, but about articles related to the clan. - Altenmann >talk 20:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, support rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Altenmann: rename to what exactly? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename to Category:Rathore (clan) following the lead article Rathore (clan). – Fayenatic London 14:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- That is even better. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:.io video games
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Medical schools in the Caribbean
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- The result of the discussion was: merge per the amended proposals. There was some controversy over whether to prefer Dutch Caribbean or Caribbean Netherlands, but consensus seems to favor Dutch Caribbean, albeit weakly. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Bonaire to
Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands, Category:Medical schools in the CaribbeanCategory:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean, Category:Health in Bonaire and Category:Universities and colleges in Bonaire - Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Saba (island) to
Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands, Category:Medical schools in the CaribbeanCategory:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean, Category:Health in Saba (island) and Category:Universities and colleges in Saba (island) - Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Sint Maarten to
Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands, Category:Medical schools in the CaribbeanCategory:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean, Category:Health in Sint Maarten and Category:Universities and colleges in Sint Maarten - Propose renaming Category:Schools of medicine in Curaçao to Category:Medical schools in Curaçao
- Propose merging Category:Schools of medicine in Bonaire to
- Nominator's rationale: Merge categories with only one or two members to all parents. Rename the last WP:C2C. – Fayenatic London 08:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Mason (talk) 13:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sint Maarten and Curaçao are not part of the Netherlands. For the BES islands merge the categories to one named Caribbean Netherlands instead so that they are subcategorized under both the Netherlands and the Caribbean categories. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:45, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see – Sint Maarten and Curaçao are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands but not part of the Netherlands. I included the Netherlands target in the nomination because that is currently a parent in each case. Looking for categories using "Caribbean Netherlands", I only found Category:History of the Caribbean Netherlands. What we do have is Category:Dutch Caribbean including Universities and colleges in the Dutch Caribbean, so that is indeed a better home for these. I have amended the nomination accordingly, to merge into a new Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 10:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Medical schools in the Caribbean is much more useful than the Dutch Caribbean. Mason (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- As there is a fairly full hierarchy for Dutch Caribbean, I see no reason not to add one more, which will belong in Medical schools in the Caribbean and Medical schools in the Netherlands as well as Health in the Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Medical schools in the Caribbean is much more useful than the Dutch Caribbean. Mason (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see – Sint Maarten and Curaçao are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands but not part of the Netherlands. I included the Netherlands target in the nomination because that is currently a parent in each case. Looking for categories using "Caribbean Netherlands", I only found Category:History of the Caribbean Netherlands. What we do have is Category:Dutch Caribbean including Universities and colleges in the Dutch Caribbean, so that is indeed a better home for these. I have amended the nomination accordingly, to merge into a new Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 10:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: It doesn't sound nice to lump together the BES islands with those of the CAS islands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- When you use terms that may not be common knowledge, please link them, e.g. BES islands and CAS islands.
- Sorry if IYHO it doesn't sound nice to use Dutch Caribbean, but setting up a separate sub-hierarchy for Caribbean Netherlands would require many perpetually small categories. The best hierarchy we have is Dutch Caribbean. – Fayenatic London 17:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: IP has a point this time, Dutch Caribbean is a non-existent polity. It is merely a legacy term after the Dutch Antilles were dissolved. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm no expert on the history or current politics, I'm just looking at how our categories are structured at the moment. Would you support a split of the whole Dutch Caribbean hierarchy? If so, I suggest you make a nomination to split some representative categories at the top levels. But until that has happened, the tiny sub-topic of medical schools should follow the existing hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 21:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: IP has a point this time, Dutch Caribbean is a non-existent polity. It is merely a legacy term after the Dutch Antilles were dissolved. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: It doesn't sound nice to lump together the BES islands with those of the CAS islands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Well at least I still support merging, even if one of the merge targets (Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean versus Category:Medical schools in the Dutch Caribbean) is disputable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Medical schools in Sint Maarten and keep it under Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools by country (along with Category:Medical schools in Curaçao and Category:Medical schools in Aruba). Group medical schools of the BES islands under Caribbean Netherlands and keep them under both Category:Medical schools in the Caribbean and Category:Medical schools in the Netherlands. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 16:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, Carribean Netherlands is equally non-existant as Dutch Carribean. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fix the spelling and Caribbean Netherlands (mnemonic: it's named after the Carib people) comprises the BES islands.
- I have since found that the latter does have a bare category, Category:Caribbean special municipalities of the Netherlands, so I have put its history category within it.
- Just as obiter dicta, what should be done with Category:Dutch Caribbean? Split/rename the whole hierarchy to "Kingdom of the Netherlands" (including Curacao, Aruba, Sint Maarten) and "Caribbean Netherlands" for BES? After that, Dutch Caribbean could be disambiguated between Caribbean Netherlands and the historical Islands of the Netherlands Antilles. – Fayenatic London 11:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- You are right about my spelling mistake and, more importantly, right about the way to solve this problem more generally. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just as obiter dictum, should Category:Dutch Caribbean be kept just to hold a small number of subcategories and topics that are common to both BES and CAS (or ABC and SSS)? 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, Carribean Netherlands is equally non-existant as Dutch Carribean. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's "non-existence" yet it's a good collective term to refer to these special municipalities altogether. It's somehow like referring to an additional province although they aren't. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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- A category for medical schools in the Caribbean Netherlands would be too small, as there are only 2 members in the current cats for Bonaire and Saba. If there is no consensus to merging to the intermediate level Dutch Caribbean, then revert to my original merge proposal, but omit the Netherlands category in the case of Sint Maarten. – Fayenatic London 15:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support as amended. This will avoid unhelpful small cats with minimal information loss. The points raised above about the Category:Dutch Caribbean nomenclature are important, but those issues aren't going to be resolved here. As long as that category hierarchy is in use it should be used consistently. -- Visviva (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Citizens of Hungary through descent
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Manual purge/merge per precedent at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17#Category:Citizens through descent. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Purge and merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:USA for Africa songs
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Category:Taxa named by Baron Cajetan von Felder
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories – "baron" is a mere title. Micromesistius (talk) 11:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish nobility
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Category:Volodimerovichi family
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Category:Dos Santos family (Angolan business family)
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Category:Gender incongruence
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- The result of the discussion was: disperse. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Gender incongruence to Category:Transgender and medicine
- Nominator's rationale: Merge to Transgender and medicine. This category is a based on the ICD-11 equivalent of Gender dysphoria, and is a odd carve out of the parent category. If not merged, I think it should be renamed to Gender dysphoria because the bulk of the actual contents are about dysphoria, not incongruence. Mason (talk) 00:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Disperse, the category contains an odd mix of transgender-related and non-transgender-related articles and redirects. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now per nom. It is indeed an odd mixture. As nom says, gender incongruence is a redirect to a section in ICD-11, where it is called a synonym of gender dysphoria, but the article causes of gender incongruence claims it is the cause of gender dysphoria. At any rate, it's irregular to have a "causes of X" article if there is no main article of the same name. It also supports upmerging to a category where at least the article gender dysphoria itself can be found. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, at least purge Transvestic fetishism and Dual-role transvestism before merging because they are clearly not about transgender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. NLeeuw (talk) 13:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, at least purge Transvestic fetishism and Dual-role transvestism before merging because they are clearly not about transgender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Disperse per Marcocapelle. -sche (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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