Staging Ground Discussion/Support

7:32 PM

it had to be done

A required offering to the chat gods

Also my first two messages had typos... great

what typos

7:49 PM

Not sure why I'm set as a RO but OK. Hopefully, other users won't think I'm any sort of expert because of it.

so that you can move stuff to the friendly bin

Oh. Huh. Yeah, Tyler just volun-told you I guess.

8:19 PM

Does it make sense to set up a feed for staging-ground questions on MSO?

Q: Close as duplicate in Staging Ground unreachable on mobile

8:34 PM

Probably a good idea.

Feeds

Ryan M has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

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On my iPhone 12 Mini running Firefox, I am unable to vote to close as duplicate. On the initial Staging Ground review screen when I click open an SG question, Vote to close as duplicate if offered as an option I can pick; the screen is a bit crammed, but it works. (It seems rather excessive that...

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Q: Can we remove "not reproducible" from off-topic reasons in the Staging Ground?

When a question in the Staging Ground lacks details for reproducing the issue, it should be marked as "Requires Major Changes" instead of being closed as off-topic. The close reason "Not reproducible or was caused by a typo" seems to contradict that goal. Would it be possible to change that close...

feature-request close-reasons staging-ground

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Q: Staging Ground posts are often Locked

Painfully often when I click open a recent Staging Ground post, I am able to view it etc but not to actually commit a review action because it is locked. This seems like an odd design. Why does this review mechanism require exclusive access? And if it really does, how long does a post need to rem...

bug status-review user-interface staging-ground

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Q: Converting duplicate/off-topic votes after question publication from Staging Ground

As you can see in the history below, while reviewing a question from Staging Ground, I chose to "Vote as duplicate". Later on, someone else approved that question. Now it's posted and it's just like my duplicate vote never existed. Since the question is a duplicate to me I'd have to flag it as d...

bug status-review duplicate-questions staging-ground

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Q: Attempting to decline request for re-evaluation after another user has voted as off-topic/duplicate fails

In the following scenario: User asks question, is posted to Staging Ground Question is placed into Requires Major changes status Author edits question and requests re-evaluation Another reviewer applies an off-topic vote Attempting to review the question and choosing "Decline request for re-eva...

bug status-review staging-ground

VLAZ has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

uhoh

Ryan M

looks like two people making the same change is... fine?

Oh no, I also made the same change. I think this starts the countdown to Ragnarok

one must be eliminated

8:40 PM

*accepts fate*

Feeds

TylerH has added dan1st to the list of this room's owners.

@VLAZ I can remove you, I just figured by your suggestion of creating a new room in The Meta Room you preferred to be an RO here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It does not matter to me who is an RO here; I just figure at least several of them will be good enough to make sure there are enough people for someone to add permissions or move messages if needed, etc.

→ 1 message moved to friendly bin

8:48 PM

It's a very intuitive and easy to grasp interface, I tell you what.

still wanted to do it once before

For multiple messages, you have to hold down Ctrl + click. I don't even know how you do it in mobile.

yeah I saw that

I don't know how long it took me to figure out where the option even was. I was sure that it'd be on the message I want to remove. Silly me - why would it be there instead of a random different menu I don't open.

I found a MSE post about it

8:52 PM

Took me even longer to find that post :D

OK, in fairness - it works. It's not the most intuitive but does make sense since if you want multiple messages, you shouldn't really start from one message. I'm being a bit harsher than needed for effect.

Also, chat hasn't been updated in 6-8. Most tools haven't gotten improvements. But chat still is quite good. Has some better features than platforms devoted to chatting. Like Discord. Or MS Teams.

Are there any general guidelines for moving messages or is it anything like "if it''s unrelated to the topic and no recent messages, move away"?

@VLAZ Discord works perfectly with bots IMO

@dan1st For a room like this, where there are currently no actual 'rules' on how the room should be used (other than what its general topic is), moving can probably be reserved for things like you mentioned--if someone posts some noisy gif or image, or messages that are clearly not related to SG or anything else productive

ok, thanks

@dan1st congrats on your first move :-)

I mean some features of SE chat are better. Certainly not all. Like moving messages wasn't available in Discord. Speaking of - for guidelines - probably don't move messages if just a polite "Stop it" suffices. But if you feel something is disruptive - then feel free.

8:57 PM

and, if you don't feel like being a Room Owner (RO), just say so. I had the idea that folks with 250+ reviews in the Staging Ground at this early point in time would likely make good candidates, but don't feel pressured to have some role or responsibility you don't want!

I've had to move messages extremely rarely. And one time it was even my messages I managed to spam by accident (was leaning on the keyboard)

So if there are longer discussions not really SG-related (like this one here), there's not much of a point in moving them I guess?

Well, you can ask people to stop discussing off-topic things, as an RO :-) If someone is trying to get help or ask about SG and some others are talking about the weather or their favorite method of cooking hotdogs, or something

as an RO you can also kick users from a room if they are trouble makers

feel free to test out by kicking me if you want, via my profile picture/avatar in the members list in the top-right

afterward you may have to un-mute me manually (for yourself)... not sure

lol

Oh, he asked for it.

kick mutes go on your permanent record

9:02 PM

@KevinB hey, I've already been chat banned erroneously by a staff member before, a test kick-mute doesn't scare me

somehow i haven't

@dan1st As you can see, kicks don't appear in the transcript/chat message list, but rather as a temporary banner in the room (and mods can see more kick info than ROs can)

only RO's and mods can see the banner, unless imissed it

oh, maybe--I assumed it was visible to all users

So ROs can kickmute other ROs? Interesting

9:04 PM

yup

they can also de-ro other ro's

A user that is kicked cannot rejoin the room for 60 seconds (or 5 minutes, if it's a second kick in a short period of time)--they get force-redirected to this page: i.sstatic.net/bZrLRokU.png

even another RO

@KevinB It's like back in the day with IRC. But you don't have a variable access level. Or whatever it was called. I think it wasn't karma.

of course, if someone is abusing kick powers for funsies (or worse), mods probably will put a stop to that in short order :-)

I don't think kickmutes will be needed often but it's good to have that option available if someone is causing issues and not stopping I guess

been a long time since i booted someone

9:05 PM

@VLAZ I still remember a friend popped into one of my channels one day and said "I just created my first IRC bot!" and the very next line was him getting disconnected from the entire server with the message "User was kicked by server mods: z-lined"

Guess he didn't write his bot correctly :-P

usually when there's really low activity, the bar for booting someone, at least for me, raises exponentially

any activity is better than none

(and no, you can't kick or ignore a mod, even as an RO)

err, no

you can certainly ignore a mod

@KevinB I mean, the system lets you, but IIRC you still see their messages

you don't

;)

9:07 PM

I tried to ignore one once and it didn't work, at least if I recall correct

i don't see any of ryan's mesages here

Did you just ignore him or has he been ignored?

been

Hmm, well how about that

Mods can see other users' ignore lists, though

Cody told me that a few years ago

yup

9:08 PM

alright, gotta go for theday o/

i wonder if a ping from a mod would bypass the ignore, i doubt it

Woah, first time I ignore somebody. Tried Tyler (he was first on the list). Fancy effect with all of Tyler's messages folding way.

Also unignore unfolds the messages back in.

you can also temporary show them, my fav ignore system of any chat system

if only it worked on mobile

also has a minor flaw in that you can't show messages of an ignored user who isn't currently the room

One thing I'm unsure about with this room is how people are supposed to discover it - like a room where people can get support is fairly useless without people knowing about it

I see. I don't usually like ignores. I think the best ignore feature I've seen was at the Escapist forums - collapsed messages from ignored users and still showed an item that indicates there is an ignored message but you had to click to expand it. And you could hide it back again. Very unobtrusive. And it doesn't feel like you're being gaslit because you don't know what people are talking about.

9:14 PM

like discord

i see discords setup as an evolution of SO Chat's

same idea, slightly better implemented, not buggy

@dan1st I mean, welcome to most of chat... But the word should go out. Perhaps in Meta posts, hopefully in the help centre. Feel free to mention it in comments, too, if you wish.

Also, in theory chat is shown in the side bar. Some times. Not sure when or what the rules are, since I don't see it always.

I learned to use ignores as a method of focusing. but i also use it here sarcastically as well (with ryan being ignored.) No real reason, outside of at some point disagreeing with a question closure probably

but i'll ignore people who annoy me so i can decide when their voice is worthy of my presence, not because i never want to see their messages, rather, because i rarely want to see their messages.

Ryan M

If we really felt the need to convey a moderation-related message to a user who has us on ignore, I think we could just remove ourselves from the ignore list. Though I'm not sure if anyone's ever actually tried this.

i wonder if it'd have any realtime effect on their client

presumably the ping would suddenly work

even if we can't directly see it

Ryan M

Also I remain curious how you interact with chat, as you seem to see my messages in roughly realtime...

9:19 PM

your icon moved, so i clicked show messages

Ryan can be pretty terrible (/s), but I'm curious why you ignore him

probably was just some disagreement with closure. cody/george were ignored for that reason, i disagree with their moderation style in general

I see.

@Spevacus Because of all the screaming, obviously.

in The Meta Room, 8 mins ago, by Ryan M

screaming internally

lol

9:21 PM

@VLAZ When I'm finding users who reviewed something without a review action, I typically tell them via chat - ig I could also tell them about this room

if they want support/help for it

@dan1st Sounds good.

I'm not actually sure how to find somebody's chat profile (if they have one) to invite them to a room.

click their name

?

@VLAZ same user id as on SO

Ah, from main. eh