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Sportspeople by populated place and sport

Propose renaming

Copy of speedy

C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
U.S.: Category:Baseball players from New York City

Taiwan: Category:Baseball players from Taipei‎

South Korea: Category:Baseball players from Seoul

Puerto Rico: Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico

Canada: Category:Baseball players from Toronto

Australia: Category:Baseball players from Melbourne

Mexico: Category:Baseball players from Mexico City

I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Omnis Scientia: the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Omnis Scientia: this is now in the "moved to full discussion" section but a full discussion hasn't been started yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle, no idea who did moved it to "full disciussion" - I had moved it to "pending other discussions" while the parent categories were changed from "City or town" to "populated place". Then I was going to bring this to full. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at Category:American sportspeople by sport and populated place, most of these categories are titled "Sportsplayers by populated place in country" not "Sportsplayers in/from county by populated place". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: So we have two options here: A: rename to "Category:Baseball players from Foo by populated place"; or B: "Category:Fooian baseball players by populated place". Either way, the split should be at the end and should be "populated place" per recent Cfds. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging the following from speedy discussion: @Armbrust, @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, @Liz. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I support renaming to either option. I have a slight preference for B for no particular reason. As long as we're consistent, I'm content. Mason (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alder carrs

Convert Category:Alder carrs to article Alder carr

Nominator's rationale: I don't really know what to do with this category. I think it's for a very specific kind of wetland that only applies to a specific kind of tree. This category feels like a non-defining intersection between kind of tree and kind of landform, but I'm not an expert. Mason (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This category appears regularly as a feature on early Ordnance Survey maps. Leutha (talk) 08:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 21:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 21:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leutha Can you explain the importance/defininingness of the category because I'd really like to understand. Mason (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iran articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Iran articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Czech Republic articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Czech Republic articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South Sudan articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:South Sudan articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Italy articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Italy articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:France articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:France articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slovakia articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Slovakia articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Channel Islands articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Channel Islands articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Central Asia articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Central Asia articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serbia articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Serbia articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Montenegro articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Montenegro articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Southeast Asia articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Southeast Asia articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. @Gonnym, I think you should combine all these "deprecated tags" categories under one banner. They are a bit spread over the page and it would also make deciding easier. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Post-independence history of Bengal

Propose merging Category:Post-independence history of Bengal to Category:Late modern Bengal

Nominator's rationale: merge, both this category and its parent contain only a few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Seems reasonable to combine them. Mason (talk) 23:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Catholicism articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:Catholicism articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by template. Gonnym (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:European Microstates articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:European Microstates articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by a template or found in code. Gonnym (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject Vatican City or found in any template code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States articles with deprecated tags

Propose deleting Category:United States articles with deprecated tags (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: No longer being populated by Template:WikiProject United States or found in any template code. Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795)

Propose merging Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795) to Category:Early modern history of Lithuania

Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories cover nearly the same period. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Early modern history of Bengal

Propose merging Category:Early modern history of Bengal to Category:History of Bengal

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Crime action films

Propose deleting Category:Crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Hybrid genre term that is not in common usage (unlike lets say, action comedy or even action thriller). Searching for it on google, gives one imdb list, then several lists for one genre or the other. Per the action film article, "Action films often interface with other genres. Yvonne Tasker wrote that films are often labelled action thrillers, action-fantasy and action-adventure films with different nuances." Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I'd include the sub-categories within this general category again, but I suppose that is implied in this process. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrzejbanas: it is not implied in this process, i.e. the bot that processes deletions only does its job for categories that are properly listed and for category pages that are properly tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What's the best approach with this to have them all tagged @Marcocapelle? Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Andrzejbanas: after you listed all categories here and after you tagged one subcategory (including section title) you can ask for help at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks to have the tag copied to the other subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prostitution in the State of Palestine

Propose merging Category:Prostitution in the State of Palestine to Category:Prostitution in the Middle East

Nominator's rationale: I propose to upmerge, now there is only one article and I see no potensial for the growth. Aldij (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per c2f. And the merge target works for me because the sole page is already in some State of Palestine categories. Mason (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians

Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians to Category:Battles involving the Qarmatian state of Bahrayn or Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians of Bahrayn.

Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine ✍ 07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Minor question: why Bahrayn instead of Bahrain? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Firelei Báez

Propose deleting Category:Firelei Báez (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only two non-free files and not even the main article Firelei Báez. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Fwiw I have added the main article to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as creator, main article + files seems useful enough for a cat. I don't feel too strongly about it but would like to see that for other people who have both articles and media here. – SJ + 01:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian music series

Propose merging Category:Indian music series to Category:Indian music television series

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just delete, all articles are already in the tree of Category:Indian music television series. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Coke Studio (franchise)

Propose renaming Category:Coke Studio (franchise) to Category:Coke Studio

Nominator's rationale: Probably unnecessary disambiguation. This is missing a parent article about the franchise as a whole, or the original Brazilian series. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons

Propose merging Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons to Category:IK Sirius Fotboll

Nominator's rationale: Single-article uncategorized category. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per nom Josey Wales^Parley 14:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note Category:Åtvidabergs FF seasons, Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll (women) seasons and Category:Örebro SK seasons are also 1-article categories. Gjs238 (talk) 15:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Galician animated films

Propose renaming Category:Galician animated films to Category:Galician-language animated films

Nominator's rationale: In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Irish films" are not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are two different categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_animated_films). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split between Category:Galician-language films and Category:Spanish-language films, dependent on the actual language of the film. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Higher Walton F.C. players

Propose deleting Category:Higher Walton F.C. players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized, single-article category for a defunct football club without a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, just needs some research for other footballers to be added to it - I simply have not got around to it yet (and where are the Lancastrian football experts who could be doing so???) In Vitrio (talk) 09:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per LaundryPizza03 and Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 15:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PAW Patrol (franchise)

Propose merging Category:PAW Patrol (franchise) to Category:PAW Patrol

Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The TV series (currently at Category:PAW Patrol), and the franchise are not the same thing. See also Talk:PAW_Patrol#Split_and_move_proposal. Gonnym (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of the League of Women Voters

Propose merging Category:Members of the League of Women Voters to Category:American suffragists

Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming and purging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk · he/him) 02:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lean towards merge. Given that it's not very defining by itself. Mason (talk) 00:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 4

Sportspeople by populated place and sport

Category:Alder carrs

Category:Iran articles with deprecated tags

Category:Czech Republic articles with deprecated tags

Category:South Sudan articles with deprecated tags

Category:Italy articles with deprecated tags

Category:France articles with deprecated tags

Category:Slovakia articles with deprecated tags

Category:Channel Islands articles with deprecated tags

Category:Central Asia articles with deprecated tags

Category:Serbia articles with deprecated tags

Category:Montenegro articles with deprecated tags

Category:Southeast Asia articles with deprecated tags

Category:Post-independence history of Bengal

Category:Catholicism articles with deprecated tags

Category:European Microstates articles with deprecated tags

Category:Africa articles with deprecated tags

Category:Fantasy articles with deprecated tags

Category:Vatican City articles with deprecated tags

Category:United States articles with deprecated tags

Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795)

Category:Early modern history of Bengal

Category:Crime action films

Category:Prostitution in the State of Palestine

Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians

Category:Firelei Báez

Category:Indian music series

Category:Coke Studio (franchise)

Category:IK Sirius Fotboll seasons

Category:Galician animated films

Category:Higher Walton F.C. players

Category:PAW Patrol (franchise)

Category:Members of the League of Women Voters