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== Protest against biased history faking front-page snippet! ==

>1948 - The Marshall Plan, an economic recovery program established by U.S. Secretary of State George Marshall

>to assist the post-World War II re-building of Europe, was signed into law.

This is very biased! The programme was intended to re-build ONLY western Europe (the self-declared "free world" part only), not the entire Europe. The soviet sphere of influence (USSR and eastern-european satellite states) were purposefully excluded by crafting humiliating conditions which were not acceptable considering that WWII destruction was at least 5x more severe east of the Elbe.

Therefore the above sentence is dishonest.

With these kind of "America is always right" style worded articles there is no wonder that scholars consider traditional encyclopaedias more trusted. Those are done by researchers who are bound by the inherent honesty of scientific methodology. Here on the Internet the numerically superior anglo-saxon netpopulation rewords history to its own liking regardless of the truth. Regards, Tamas Feher from Hungary. [[User:195.70.32.136|195.70.32.136]] 08:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:Your whole rant is factually untrue, in particular, "''The soviet sphere of influence (USSR and eastern-european satellite states) were purposefully excluded by crafting humiliating conditions which were not acceptable''". As stated in the beginning of the article, "The reconstruction plan was developed at a meeting of the participating European states in July 1947. The Soviet Union and the states of Eastern Europe were invited, but '''Stalin saw the plan as a threat and did not allow the participation of any countries under Soviet control.''' " Oh, and those "humiliating" conditions (as described in teh article) were that indepedent assessment of the economic status of nations was required. In other words, the Western Nations were not going to take Soviet claims at face value. The write up is correct as-is. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 08:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::Do you think in your right mind that after Churchill's infamous threatening Fulton speech the USSR could with any dignity and sanity allowed the anglo-saxons to see every industrial resource it had, including the secrets of its military manufacturing capacity strenghts, to disclose all its economic weaknesses at a time of danger, when two japanese cities have been obliterated by A-bombs for no other aims but to intimidate the USSR?

::Don't forget that the USSR was not a defeated country, but an unconquered and victorious party in the WWII, therefore it could not be expected to submit to the humiliating naked transparency conditions which were dictated for Germany and France, for example, countries which were soundly defeated and conquered during WWII and lost their independence. The USSR bore the blunt of the entire WWII, 60% or more, but what the russkies got from the eastern european satellite states was very little, because those countries themselves were ripped of most resources and industry by war destruction and retreating german and local nazi troops. For example in Hungary, my country, the only oil field we had, called Zala mezo", was already sucked dry by early 1945 to serve Wehrmacht needs, and all our factories and 100% of railway rolling stock ended up in Germany and never came back. There was about nothing left the USSR could take from us to fulfill its 300 million reparations bill as provided by the Paris peace accord. The Marshall plan was very biased and not worthy of the Nobel price, as it condemned the eastern and central european people to decades of great suffering in order to hurt the soviet bloc. [[User:195.70.32.136|195.70.32.136]] 12:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I am not sufficiently informed to have a real opinion on this debate, but it seems to me there would be no harm in changing the front-page blurb from "Europe" to "Western Europe". Whatever the initial aims of the plan, those were the countries that were mainly helped in practice. [[User:Redquark|Redquark]] 15:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::: "Western Europe" would be wrong, too. Sweden, Greece and Turkey will never be considered "Western European" no matter how you play with your map and compass. Yet they benefited from the Marshall Plan. -- [[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 13:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== My "nonsense" posts!!! ==

Please delete them all ASAP, preferably by this time tomorrow. - [[User:Danmeister|Danmeister]] 6:05 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:Delete them yourself. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 11:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Underlined links ==

Why have all the clickable words become underlined?`It is very annoying I think!

[[User:Cyrruss|Cyrruss]] 08:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

*It's been like that since the beginning of time. [[User:Harro5|Harr]][[WP:EA|<font color="green">o</font>]]<b>[[User talk:Harro5|5]]</b> 09:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::Has it? When I first started using wikipedia they were underlined, but for the vast majority of the time the wikilinks aren't underlined at all. [[User:Run!|<font size="-2" color="white" style="background:red">&nbsp;'''-- Run!'''&nbsp;</font>]] 14:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::It seems to vary day by day; it's some kind of quirk with Wikipedia's web code. It'll go back to not-underlined soon. [[User:Redquark|Redquark]] 15:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::::For me, it's underlined when I log in, but not underlined when I'm logged off. Ocasionally, I will log on and it will remain not-underlined but since I'm so used to it being underlined I just log off, close the browser, occasionally clear all my history, and then restart the browser... that always gets it back to being underline while logged on. I guess I'm the oddball here, but I prefer it underlined (I'm just used to it is all). -- [[User:SmthManly|<font color="black">SmthManly</font>]] / ^{<font color="blue">[[User_talk:SmthManly|ManlyTalk]]</font>} / ^{<font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/SmthManly|ManlyContribs]]</font>} 17:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

You should be able to set whether underlines are displayed in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] on the 'Misc' page. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 01:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why they wouldn't be underlined. It's like that on the rest of the Web... [[User:Dragonexpert19|Dragon Expert]] 15:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok this is driving me crazy, unless these underlines go away I will be totally unable to continue to contribute sainly to wikipedia... PLEASE FIX THIS!!!!!! ---[[User:T-rex|T-rex]] 16:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

*Please retain your sanity long enough to check out CBDunkerson's suggestion, the third paragraph up from here. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 17:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Operation Epsilon ==

''ten German nuclear scientists were detained and secretly microphoned at a house in England''

How does one "microphone" someone? Were these scientists secretly struck about the head with a large foam-covered microphone? "Microphone" is a noun not a verb... and I doubt it can even exist as "microphoned". Thankfully the above text does not appear to be present in the body of the article... it is surprising to see it on the main page.

:I've changed: "secretly microphoned" -> "[[wiretapping|wiretapped]]". - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 11:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Something which has been bugging me ever since I've first seen the main page: isnt it possible to list the article with the picture ''next to'' the picture. Its mighty confusing, even for regular users (I still find myself occasionally surprised, and then remind myself of the fact that its not necessarily adjacent). The fact that its a recurring complaint by anons (meaning simple readers) means that its confusing to a larger audience as well.

Should be hard to implement methinks?

Cheers, [[User:The Minister of War|<u><font color="navy">The Minist</font></u>]][[WP:EA|<u><font color="green">e</font></u>]][[User:The Minister of War|<u><font color="navy">r of War</font></u>]] [[User talk:The Minister of War|^{<font color="navy">(Peace)</font>}]] 11:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:You mean the "In the news" and "On this day" sections? I agree. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 12:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== New England Patriots at TFA? ==

Why is today's featured article "The New England Patriots," when today is:

1) Opening Day for most of Major League Baseball's 30 teams; and 2) The day that the NCAA Division 1 Men's Basketball Championship will be decided.

I am a diehard Patriots fan, but this seems kind of silly, especially since the Patriots did not even play in the most recent Super Bowl. I would rather have seen the Boston Red Sox as today's feature, or maybe even the Boston Marathon, which will be run two weeks from today on April 17.{{unsigned|216.204.134.1}}

:The daily featured articles are normally not chosen to reflect specific dates or events and the fact that the Patriots were featured today is almost certainly a coincidence. The date an article is chosen to be featured is either requested by a user, or chosen randomly by our Featured Article director a few days before the actual date. Usually, the only deciding factor other than a request by a user is how many days have passed since this specific category (in this case, Sports) has been featured as long as a related topic isn't already on the mainpage (such as [[Flag of Mexico]] being featured on the day [[Mexican general election, 2006|Mexico holds national elections]]); exceptions may occur. Also, featured articles must meet a certain quality and standard before they can be called featured and thus be eligible to become today's featured article. Neither [[Boston Red Sox]] nor the [[Boston Marathon]] has yet achieved this title, so they can not be featured on the main page until they do. They only baseball related featured article is [[baseball]] itself, and this article has been previously featured (and thus cannot be featured again for some time); even so, featuring a baseball related article would probably coincide with baseball being in the news or a big topic and thus violates the previous policy. That's basically the gist of it, though there are many other variables involved I'm sure. -- [[User:SmthManly|<font color="black">SmthManly</font>]] / ^{<font color="blue">[[User_talk:SmthManly|ManlyTalk]]</font>} / ^{<font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/SmthManly|ManlyContribs]]</font>} 15:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::Can someone get a better picture of the Patriots? The current one may look good in normal size but when smaller it looks like a bunch of world leaders meeting for some economic summit somewhere (Davos?). --[[User:One Salient Oversight|One Salient Oversight]] 00:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Bolding ==

I feel that the bolding of the title and slogan looks very childish and over-the-top. It looks a bit like a persons first go at programming HTML, using all of the ways of formatting text as he can. What do other people think? --[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]]<font color="green">[[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|es]]</font>[[User:celestianpower|tianpower]] ^{[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]} 14:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:Personally, I think the same applies to the italics as well. With the links in those lines, it looks very messy indeed. [[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] ^{[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]} 14:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:: Yes, sorry. I forgot to remove those when I was editing. --[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]]<font color="green">[[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|es]]</font>[[User:celestianpower|tianpower]] ^{[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]} 15:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:I agree that the text looks better (and more professional) without the bolding, and the italicized second line was even worse. ("Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." is one sentence, so it's illogical to use inconsistent styling.) &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 15:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:Personally, I liked the bolding. It made the title stand out more. -[[User:EdGl|EdGl]] 20:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Grammar error at DYK==

"that the Autumn of Nations, which begun in Poland, marked the end of the Cold War?" - Kind of anal, but it should read "began" rather than "begun" -[[User:Elmer Clark|Elmer Clark]] 22:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:Fixed. &mdash;[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 22:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Grammar error (a different one) at TFA==

The first sentence of today's featured article has incorrect grammar. It reads "The history of Limerick, the third largest city in the Republic of Ireland and a major cultural and industrial centre, stretches back to its establishment by the Vikings as a walled city on "King's Island" (an island in the River Shannon) in 812, and received its charter in 1197." Stripping out adjectives, [[appositive]]s, and such this becomes "The history of Limerick stretches back to its establishment and received its charter in 1197." The easiest fix would be just to remove the word "received," though that's still sylistically sub-par. [[User:LizardWizard|^L_W<font size="3">izard</font>]] [[User_talk:LizardWizard|@]] 00:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:Fixed, thanks. —[[User:Spangineer|Spangineer]]^{[[:es:Usuario:Spangineer|[es]]]}&nbsp;<small><font color="brown">[[User talk:Spangineer|(háblame)]]</font></small> 02:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Zacarias Moussaoui In the News ==

The In the News section states:

:"A jury finds Zacarias Moussaoui (pictured) guilty for the deaths in the September 11 attacks. Moussaoui's trial now enters the death penalty phase, where he may be sentenced to execution."

That seems like quite an exaggeration. It sounds as though Moussaoui is responsible for the deaths of all those who were killed on 9|11. In addition, the part about the death penalty phase to me sounds a bit redundant. Clearly, the ''death penalty'' phase involves ''execution''. Perhaps it would be more accurate and concise to say...

:"A jury finds [[Zacarias Moussaoui]] (pictured) partially liable for the deaths in the [[September 11 attacks]], making him eligible for the [[capital punishment|death penalty]]."

[[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 02:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== date? ==

what timezone is the main page displaying? according to my watch, it is only the 3rd.[[User:Joeyramoney|Joeyramoney]] 02:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

: It displays [[UTC]], which is currently on [[April 4]]. [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 02:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== CMOH at DYK==

An article in the DYK section mentions "Congressional Medal of Honor", but in the CMOH article, it says that this is actually incorrect.

== In the news, On this day and Did you know - pictures ==

Further to people's complaints above regarding how it is confusing at first as to which article belongs to the picture; There is a little ''(pictured)'' caption in the text so it's not a huge issue but how about somethig like this?.. (Rough mockup, it might look stupid in your browser)

{| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" style="background-color: #f5faff; border: 1px solid #cedff2; width: 390px;"

|-

| colspan="2" |

{| style="margin:0;background-color:#cedff2;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #a3b0bf;text-align:left;color:#000;padding-left:0.4em;padding-top:0.2em;padding-bottom:0.2em; width: 100%"

| In the news

|}

|-

| <li> The '''[[39th Canadian Parliament]]''' begins in [[Ottawa]], with the newly-elected government of [[Stephen Harper]] commanding a [[minority]] in the [[House of Commons]].

| rowspan="2" valign="top" bgcolor="#d9ebff" | [[Image:Zacarias Moussaoui2.jpg|100px|Zacarias Moussaoui]]

|-

| bgcolor="#d9ebff" | <li> A jury finds '''[[Zacarias Moussaoui]]''' (pictured) liable for the deaths in the [[September 11 attacks]]. Moussaoui's trial now enters the penalty phase, where he may be sentenced to [[execution]].

|-

| colspan="2" | <li> Former [[Liberian]] [[President]] '''[[Charles Taylor]]''' pleads not guilty to [[war crime]] charges at the [[Special Court for Sierra Leone]].

|-

| colspan="2" | <li> '''[[The Kom Chad Luek]]''' newspaper critical of [[Thai]] [[Prime Minister]] [[Thaksin Shinawatra]] agrees to stop publishing for five days amid protests about the way it referred to the [[King of Thailand]].

|- align="center"

| '''[[Wikinews]] – [[Recent deaths]] – [[current_events|More current events...]]'''

|}

...to highlight the appropriate article entry? --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 06:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:And maybe a thin blue border for the picture to link them better intuitively. Great idea. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 06:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::Heh I wanted to do that but couldn't work out the wiki-table layout &gt;.&gt; EDIT:messed with it a bit--[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 07:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Sounds good to me – it won't make much of a difference to the page, but if people find the current arrangement confusing, it ought to be changed – [[User:Gurch|Gurch]] 12:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Personally, I'd still prefer just putting the pictured news on top. Seems like the easiest solution to me..

::::Still, I like your suggestion. Two questions though. Can the border on the pic be a bit larger? It took me a while to actually notice it. second, mort importantly, doesnt this makeup get messy once the news item moves more towards the bottom? [[User:The Minister of War|<u><font color="navy">The Minist</font></u>]][[WP:EA|<u><font color="green">e</font></u>]][[User:The Minister of War|<u><font color="navy">r of War</font></u>]] [[User talk:The Minister of War|^{<font color="navy">(Peace)</font>}]] 13:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::This is just a QaD mockup in wiki:table markup, I imagine that the CSS for the front page could include a special element for the appropriate box somehow. So yes the border can be any thickness (I couldn't work it out in wiki markup though). It would get separated from the picture if it slid down yes. But if it were the only highlighted entry the viewer's eyes would be drawn to it more quickly than the obscured ''(pictured)'' tag. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 14:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with using ALT on the image ? Just move the mouse over and the text would pop on screen. So easy.... --[[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 15:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:I'm guessing you mean the '''title''' html tag? It doesn't show up in all browsers and the current IE doesn't handle it correctly. Also this would require the user to move the mouse over the picture. The issue here is not the picture but which text goes with it. We could always put a caption under the picture but I was thinking that an obvious visual clue would be better. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Pictured mistake at ITN==

Atnetion: ''In the News'' says Zacarias is pictures, but its the Canadian Prime-minister who appears! Its not on purpose, now is it? :) [[User:Muriel Gottrop|muriel@pt]] 12:09, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]]

'''A jury finds Zacarias Moussaoui (pictured) liable for the deaths in the September 11 attacks''': Moussaoui is not pictured - it's Stephen Harper. ▫ [[User:Urbane_legend|UrbaneLegend]] ^{[[User_talk:Urbane_legend|talk]]} 12:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::Really, this happens too often when the picture is changed. Admins shouldn't take changing the news pictures so lightly. [[User_talk:Ziggur|Ziggur]] 12:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]]

It's the new Canadian bigwig and not the guy found guilty who is depicted. Could you please correct this? --[[User:62.67.194.45|62.67.194.45]] 12:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

(Ah, I see that while I was typing this somebody else has already pointed it out.)

:Fixed. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]]

::Damn, I just referenced in my essay that Moussaoui was the new Canadian PM!! hehe. There should be more control on the frontpage really. --[[User:Midnighttonight|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnighttonight|tonight]] 08:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

==Deep Sea Organisms==

What kind of Microorganisms live in the Deep Sea <small>—This [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:69.249.133.98|69.249.133.98]] ([[User talk:69.249.133.98|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.249.133.98|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

: Please ask at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk]]. Not here.--[[User:64.229.225.51|64.229.225.51]] 13:17, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Governor General at ITN==

The opening of the 39th parliament has Governor-General....this is incorrect...there is no hyphen. I realize it redirects but this should still be corrected. [[User:KsprayDad|KsprayDad]] 13:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixed -- [[User:SmthManly|<font color="black">SmthManly</font>]] / ^{<font color="blue">[[User_talk:SmthManly|ManlyTalk]]</font>} / ^{<font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/SmthManly|ManlyContribs]]</font>} 14:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

In the opening of the 39th parliament, the Speech from the Throne should be delivered by the Governor General on behalf of the Queen of Canada, and written by the newly-elected government of Stephen Harper.[[User:dancheg|dancheng]] 01:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

==[[Mutsun language]] at DYK==

Um, it became extinct in 1930 because of Spanish missionaries? My knowledge of American history is imperfect, but hadn't California already been admitted to the union by then? Surely it therefore became extinct because no-one in the US made any attempt to preserve it..? AND- can someone explain to me what this means- "...that the Russian clown Slava Polunin celebrated the 20th anniversary of his theater by organizing its funerals?". Maybe a bit more QC-ing for the main page could be in order. [[User:Badgerpatrol|Badgerpatrol]] 15:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:The article was a POV misreading of a source text. I changed the article text to a more NPOV handling, though it's too late for DYK. In any case the DYK articles are often written by one person (I should know, I hit it regularly!) and thus don't get much editorial input. But being featured in DYK gives editors a chance to find it more quickly. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 22:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

==[[Tom Delay]] at ITN==

Does anyone else think Tom Delay's resignation might deserve a space on "In the news"? I think it does. But then again, there is important stuff already there... Could the Thai newspaper get bumped off? (Trying not to have a U.S. bias...) [[User:Grandmasterka|<font color="red">Grand</font>]][[User talk:Grandmasterka|<font color="blue">master</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Grandmasterka|<font color="green">ka</font>]] 15:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

: Both Tom DeLay and the Thai newspaper bit are insignificant.

: What's missing is the [[Thailand legislative election, 2006]]. '''[[Thaksin Shinawatra]]''' is stepping down as PM even his party has won a majority! --[[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 15:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

: Bring it up on [[Talk:Current events]]. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 22:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Wrong redirect at TFA? ==

I think "emergency" should link to the meaning of the term "Emergency," not "The Emergency." If they are talking about "The Emergency," They should say "...famine, and The Emergency." instead of "...famine, and emergency." [[User:Dragonexpert19|Dragon Expert]] 15:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:No, leave it as is. "The Emergency" is the name of the emergency that occurred in Ireland, so it's ok. —[[User:Spangineer|Spangineer]]^{[[:es:Usuario:Spangineer|[es]]]}&nbsp;<small><font color="brown">[[User talk:Spangineer|(háblame)]]</font></small> 16:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:: In this case, should "the" be shown ? Or even specifiy when ? --[[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 17:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Esperanto Wikipedia issue on surnames ==

Recently, Esperanto Wikipedia decided to not uppercase anymore the surnames in people articles (e.g.: John LENNON). Please feel free to check if interwiki links to Esperanto Wikipedia are working good, since the most of the aforementioned pages are being moved to new title articles (e.g.: John Lennon). [[User:Mxcatania|Mxcatania]] 16:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:This isn't Main Page related, it should probably be posted on the Village Pump. If you think about it, it makes more sense to go through the Esperanto Wikipedia's 40,000 articles for cognates in the English Wikipedia, because nearly 100% of your 40,000 articles will have them, whereas fewer than 4% of articles here will have Esperanto Wikipedia cognates. I'm not sure if this is something that could be [[Wikipedia:Bot requests|done by a bot]] or perhaps some other wikipedia tool like AWB. --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 22:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Did you know? ==

Sorry, but I don't know where to ask this. I looked through the FAQ's and everything! Anyway, I made a new article today that I'm very proud of. [[John Chain]]. I wanted to know if it could go on the main page in the Did You Know box? How do we do this sort of thing? Thanks! [[User:Sarah crane|Sarah crane]] 18:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

: Hi :) Look up to the right. There's a link to suggest an entry. --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 19:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Vertical alignment of text in POTD ==

It seems that the picture of the day's text is aligned to the vertical middle of its container. This seems to be illogical, and, most importantly, inconsistent with the rest of the main page's design. I'm not exactly sure how the templates work, but would it be a good idea to have the text content of that table or div align to the top rather than to the middle? I think it would look better that way. --[[User:Michiel Sikma|Michiel Sikma]] 21:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:I see what you're getting at, and it is different to the rest of the templates, but personally I prefer it the way it is. Although it could do with a slightly larger space between the picture and the text – [[User:Gurch|Gurch]] 21:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::I personally don't like it. Maybe some other people could give their opinion? --[[User:Michiel Sikma|Michiel Sikma]] 11:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== cool digital oddity ==

Is there a spot for fun facts on the home page? At 1:02:03AM later today, the clock will read: 01:02:03 04/05/06 and I think that's cool enough to get a spot on the home page. In about 3 hours as of this writing UTC will read that time. Europe will have to wait another month because they swap the month and day. Here is a news story about it: [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_re_us/numbers_row]

:This would only be appropriate if there were a Wikipedia article on such oddities, then it could be in Selected Anniversaries or DYK (but only within 5 days of creation). --[[User:Dhartung|Dhartung]] | [[User talk:Dhartung|Talk]] 22:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::For ''most'' of the world, that will happen on 4 May 2006 not 5 April. I'm sure there is an article somewhere explaining why you Americans (and some others???) use a silly date... ;). --[[User:Midnighttonight|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnighttonight|tonight]] 08:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Maybe because we're leaders not followers :-P. Just kidding, don't go off on me because of that (unless you're also joking). As far as I know, all my cousins and family in Colombia use the US version, not sure if Latin America does it formally or not. -- [[User:SmthManly|<font color="black">SmthManly</font>]] / ^{<font color="blue">[[User_talk:SmthManly|ManlyTalk]]</font>} / ^{<font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/SmthManly|ManlyContribs]]</font>} 08:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

::::It's all sweet. Although one has to wonder why and how different countries went for different methods. Did you have a [[February 30]] this year? --[[User:Midnighttonight|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnighttonight|tonight]] 08:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::Probably cultural evolution... I'm unoficially on the [[World Calendar]], so technically, yes! :-P-- [[User:SmthManly|<font color="black">SmthManly</font>]] / ^{<font color="blue">[[User_talk:SmthManly|ManlyTalk]]</font>} / ^{<font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/SmthManly|ManlyContribs]]</font>} 08:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:::The article about funny date formats is at [[Calendar date]], and the American style is referred to as "Middle endian" format. You may have to be a computer programmer to get the joke.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 08:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Tomboy ==

Can someone Wikify "[[tomboy]]" in the featured article. --[[User:130.184.211.35|130.184.211.35]] 00:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Thomas Moore's hair shirt ==

Ummm? [[User:KayEss|KayEss]] | [[User talk:KayEss|talk]] 06:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:[[Hairshirt]]. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]] [[User talk:Knowledge Seeker|&#2470;]] 07:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:: Cheers Knowledge Seeker. Probably should have been linked then. Looked like a prank. [[User:KayEss|KayEss]] | [[User talk:KayEss|talk]] 02:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I linked it after reading you posted your first comment. Thanks for pointing it out. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]] [[User talk:Knowledge Seeker|&#2470;]] 02:39, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Baseball ''game'' ==

Minor thing -- Today's "Did You Know?" section refers to a "baseball match," but baseball contests are known as "games," not "matches." -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 07:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Manuel Castro ==

Nacido en noviembre del 1979(dia desconocido) este Puertoriqueño se ha mantenido como uno de los mas fuertes psiquicos en el mundo.Al momento muy poco se sabe de el ya que lleva una vida normal y no le intenta sacar provecho a sus poderes.Sin embargo hay muchas pruebas en la isla de que el ayuda a resolver muchos casos (solo que a el le interesen),del 1989 al 2000 Manuel ayudo a resolver sobre 53 casos de asecinato y 35 desapariciones.Toda entrevista que se la ha intentado hacer a sido un fracaso Manuel niega sus poderes y los que han estado cerca de el indican que cuando se molesta toda persona a su alrededor le da dolor de cabeza(desde el 2001 nadie se ha atrevido a tratar de entrevistarlo).Las personas a su alrededor indican que es una persona tranquila solo se dedica al anime y a los juegos de video,algunos indican que le gusta beber y fumar marihuana(nada de esto ha sido comprobado),una amistad de Manuel indica que todos los que lo conocen nunca hablarian de el ya que el les leiria la mente y estarian en problema.

En el 2003 una chica Argentina estubo saliendo con Manuel por 3 meses,ella hablo con la prensa sobre Manuel Castro les dijo que Manuel no le importaba nadie y por eso no utilizaba sus poderes para ayudar.La muchacha tambien recarco que Manuel sabia todo lo que va a pasar en los proximo 10 años,pero el le dijo que era muy aterador para contarlo.Tambien indico que Manuel no cree en Dios y piensa que no hay peor infierno que el que se vive ahora(despues de esta entrevista no se sabe el paradero de esta chica Argentian)

Manuel sigue siendo un misterio para todos los que saben de su existencia y aparenta ser que lo seguira siendo,fuentes informan que ni la misma familia de Castro sabe sobre sus poderes y solo 3 personas a su alrededor saben sobre su DON.(una de esas personas soy yo),no creo que manuel sea una mala persona pero en estos momentos de caos el pude ser la luz que nos guie.Escribo esto ya que se que mañana mi mente sera borrada y todo esto pasara al olvido.

<small>—This [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Mcastro02|Mcastro02]] ([[User talk:Mcastro02|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mcastro02|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

== About the yellow squares ==

I actually think these yellow squares wich are placed after every link to other wikipedia pages are a little disturbing. It's okay to have the blue squares after links to other pages, but pictures in the middle of the text, where you are reading, I don't think that's okay, I think it's disturbing. And I think it looks uggly; as you try to ignore them, holes are coming up in the text instead. I think you should shange it back. <small>—This [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:194.236.214.117|194.236.214.117]] ([[User talk:194.236.214.117|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/194.236.214.117|contribs]]) 11:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

:Yellow squares? I don't notice anything of the sort. --[[User:Michiel Sikma|Michiel Sikma]] 11:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:: [[User:194.236.214.117]] is a troublemaker. See his/her [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=46977716 post here yesterday]. --[[User:65.95.105.166|65.95.105.166]] 16:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Nomadism ==

I study Architecture and i am preparing my final project. The topic is Nomadic Architecture. I would love to see what people have to say about Nomadism and the answers would be very important and very helpful for me.

Thank you very much!!

: HI! :) This is not the place to ask questions. Have a look at the link at the top of the page that says "For questions, find out where to ask them." Good luck! --[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 13:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Last Snow of the Season ==

Where did the term "Onion Snow" come from as a reference to the last snow of the winter season? (I live in PA - maybe this is a local thing?) {{unsigned|66.236.197.226}}

:It would be better to ask this at the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk]]. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 17:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Wikinews Links ==

Why do the Wikinews stories not have direct links to those stories? Clicking the Wikinews link takes you to the list of stories and I never seem to be able to find the story I am looking for.

I think the bullet should link directly to the Wikinews story. Whaddaythink?

[[User:Cyferx|Cyferx]] 16:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:The '''In the news''' section on the Main Page lists some [[current events]] that may be of interest to readers but it doesn't necessarily mean that there is a Wikinews story. I agree however, that if there is an interwiki link to be had, then displaying it seems appropriate. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 17:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

::In the news is for encyclopedia articles about recent news(as I understand it). However a link to wikinews wouldn't hurt. Some stories also link with [[template:wikinews]] on the article, but I think a [[n:blah]] style link would be good too. [[User:Bawolff|Bawolff]] 22:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I've left a note at the Wikinews [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Wikipedia.2C_In_the_news water cooler] (like WP's [[WP:VP|village pump]]) about this suggestion. --[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 00:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Why is Wikipaedia's Talk:Main Page the slowest page in the history of t'internet? ==

Well, why is it? <small>—This [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:JohnOw|JohnOw]] ([[User talk:JohnOw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JohnOw|contribs]]) 16:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

:It's a large page (122kb currently) with 7 templates. However, it doesn't seem very slow to me. [[User:Angela|Angela]][[user talk:Angela|.]] 17:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Misspelling ==

In the third Did You Know item, "agressive" should be "aggressive". [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] 19:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:thanks for spotting that. i just went and fixed it.--[[User:Alhutch|Alhutch]] 19:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

==DYK note==

[[WTC Cross]] has been moved to [[World Trade Center cross]], so the DYK's piped link should be fixed to avoid an unneeded redirect. [[User:Staxringold|Staxringold]] 21:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:"WTC pecuiliarly shaped worshipped piece of scrap metal" I suppose would not be as poetic. &mdash; WCityMike ^{([[User_talk:WCityMike|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/WCityMike|C]])} 21:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

::Fixed link. -[[User:Kmf164|Kmf164]] (<small>[[User_talk:Kmf164|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kmf164|contribs]]</small>) 21:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Caption to Today's featured picture ==

:'' ...This in turn lead to More's execution at the Tower of London.

Shouldn't this be past tense ? Instead of 'lead', should it be 'led' ? -- [[User:199.71.174.100|199.71.174.100]] 21:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

:Fixed. I think the problem was someone thinking lead the verb was pronounced like lead the element. &mdash; [[User:Ilyanep|<span style="font-variant:Small-caps;color:black;">Ilyan</span>]][[WP:EA|<span style="font-variant:Small-caps;color:green;">e</span>]][[User:Ilyanep|<span style="font-variant:Small-caps;color:black;">p</span>]][[User talk:Ilyanep| <span style="font-variant:Small-caps;color:#808080;">(Talk)</span>]] 23:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

== Katie Holmes ? ==

Souldn't we avoid advertising this article ? KH is not important. I'm starting to have doubts about wikipedia based on the featured articles lately.

*As I've always understood it, featured articles are based on the quality of the article, not the subjective importance of the article's subject. An article on any subject is a candidate for the Main Page. --<font color="darkgreen">[[User:Flatluigi|flatluigi]]</font>(^{[[User_Talk:Flatluigi|talk]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/Flatluigi|contrib]]}) 00:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

::To elaborate on what Flatluigi said any [[Wikipedia:Featured Articles|featured article]] is eligible to be on the main page though in practice an article can be featured and will never be on the main page since non work safe articles are never put on the main page for obvious reasons. <small>[[User:Pegasus1138|Pegasus1138]]</small>^{[[User talk:Pegasus1138|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Pegasus1138|Contribs]] | [[Special:Emailuser/Pegasus1138|Email]]} ---- 02:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Take a look at the first archive of the main page[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_1]]. People were complaining even then: "Parapsychology should be removed from the main page. It is far too controversial and too exotic to make sense in the first level of a directory. Let's use the space for something more important."

:::While not a complaint about a featured article, it does show that this concern over how the front page might appear to new users has been with us for a very long time. The standard response is that "featured articles are based on the quality of the article, not the relative importance of the article." That's all well and good, but I do see people complaining about this all the time. Should an article's being well written be enough of a criterion ''on its own'' for an article to qualify? How about a '''''referendum''''' on the criteria necessary to qualify as a featured article? --[[User:JohnOw|<font color="red">J</font>]][[User:JohnOw|<font color="orange">o</font>]][[User:JohnOw|<font color="darkyellow">h</font>]][[User:JohnOw|<font color="green">n</font>]][[William Blake|<font color="cyan">O</font>]] 04:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Yes, and by doing so make all the people editing articles on their favourite subject in order to get it on the front page give up. I personally think there's nothing wrong with featuring [[Katie Holmes]] or [[Cool (song)|Cool]] providing we have at least one conventional encyclopedia topic, [[History of Limerick]], [[Ta-Yuan]], [[Mário de Andrade]] linked to under it as a past one. The Cool thing was as far is it goes really as it was a current charting single but even then it's nice for people to find out about something that's in the news or such (another regular complaint is that the featured article isn't relevant to the day it appears on the front page. [[User:Jellypuzzle|Jellypuzzle]] | ^{[[User talk:Jellypuzzle|Talk]]} 08:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I understand that ''you'' don't think it is a good idea, so your vote on changing the criteria would be '''no''', which is fine. But a lot of other people would vote '''yes''', and as this is a recurring issue, it would seem to merit opening a page to discuss this at some length. And while I realise that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_democracy Wikipedia is not a democracy], according to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_vote_on_everything this], ''long-running disputes should be the subject of a poll''. Well, this ''is'' a long running dispute. So, can we have one? Please? --[[User:JohnOw|<font color="red">J</font>]][[User:JohnOw|<font color="orange">o</font>]][[User:JohnOw|<font color="darkyellow">h</font>]][[User:JohnOw|<font color="green">n</font>]][[William Blake|<font color="cyan">O</font>]] 09:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::: Yes, I think we should. Still, it has to be very well advertised like the main page redesign was otherwise it wouldn't be fair. [[User:Jellypuzzle|Jellypuzzle]] | ^{[[User talk:Jellypuzzle|Talk]]} 09:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Just a note - there is a distinction being overlooked here between 'featured articles' and 'articles of the day'. People are talking about changing the 'featured article' standards in order to prevent 'non notable' 'articles of the day'. I'd suggest instead just trying to change the 'article of the day' standards. Unlike 'featured articles' the 'article of the day' selection process ''already'' makes some distinction for content... as noted above you won't see a 'non work safe' article as the 'article of the day'. Articles of the day are chosen from amongst the pool of featured articles, but not all featured articles are considered for/become articles of the day. If you want to change things then try to adjust the article of the day standards, but there is no reason to alter featured article selection in general. --[[User:CBDunkerson|CBDunkerson]] 11:09, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Apollo 17 was not the last Apollo mission ==

Apollo 17 may have been the last lunar landing mission of the Apollo program, but there were five more flights using Apollo hardware that were arguably

part of the Apollo program: Skylab 1-4 (the laboratory plus three manned flights in 1973-74) and finally the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP) in 1975. So it would be more accurate

to simply say that Apollo 17 was the last lunar landing mission of the Apollo program.

-- [[User:Karn|Karn]] 04:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

*I agree with you on ASTP but not on Skylab. According to the NASA website [http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/apollo/soyuz.html here,] ASTP was Apollo 18 but it says no such thing for any of the skylab missions. But other wise I agree with you on changing what it says.[[User:Greatigers|Greatigers]] 15:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Gems link ==

Gems should be linked to Gemstones, not to the disambiguation page [[User:JanSuchy|JanSuchy]] 08:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks, I've fixed it.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 09:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Recent changes to the main page ==

I've noticed that there seem to be small changes happening to the main page, mostly with the top banner (AFAICS). Are these changes done via concensus? I can't see any discussion even being done wrt them. The reason I'm pointing this out now is because the most recent change (as of ~13:40 GMT) has caused there to be '''4 lines''' in the top box. Since 3 was considered a bit much for a fair number of people, I can only guess that this is a mistake? - [[User:Drrngrvy|Drrngrvy]] 12:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:The current Main page design was introduced in mid-March afer considerable [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Final archive|discussion and debate]]. Regarding the "top box", and I'm assuming that you mean the '''Welcome to Wikipedia''' box, it renders as three lines in both MonoBook and Classic skins (AFAICS). [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 17:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

::I was refering to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=47218920 this edit] but it's been fixed for now. I think it's a little ''cliquish'' for administrators to be (seemingly) free to edit the main page. Letting that happen without it being asked for by the community seems a bit wrong to me. - [[User:Drrngrvy|Drrngrvy]] 17:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== EMRE FURTANA ==

emre furtana ankara doğumlu aslen sivas koyulhisar lı 1982 doğumlu bir kişidir.genç yaşta iş hayatına atılıp halı mobilya üzerine meslek sahibi olan bir kişidir.iş hayatını ankarada sürdürmekte olup geleceğe dair güzel adımlar atmak peşindedir.av gibi hobilerdede başarılı olan emre furtana çevresindeki arkadaşlarına örnek olan kimsedir

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Emre_furtana"

Gördüğüm en güzel rüya senin olduğun,

Duyduğum en derin sevgi senin eserin,

Gördüğüm en güzel dünya senin gözlerin,

Ve kurduğum en güzel hayal sensin.

*Gül bahçesinde geçse de ömrüm ,

Senin üstüne gül koklamam gülüm!

Seni koklamak olsa da ölüm ,

İnan uğrunda ölmeye değersin gülüm

*Ne zaman tutsam ellerini,

Gözlerimin önünden mevsimler geçer.

Ne zaman gözlerin gözlerime değse

Samanyolundan bir yıldız düşer...

*Dünya unutursa dönmeyi,

Rüzgar unutursa esmeyi,

Aşıklar unutursa sevmeyi,

Belki o zaman unuturum seni

*Bir an buruk bir acı saplanırsa yüreğine,

gözlerin zamansız takılırsa,

kulakların zamansız deli gibi çınlarsa

bil ki bir yerlerde özlemişsindir

Sevgilerin en güzeli seni sevmek,

Özlemlerin en güzeli seni özlemek,

Ve hayatın tadı sabah kalktığımda,

Senin varolduğunu bilmek...

[http://tr.wikipedia.org adres açıklaması]EMREFURTANA

: this is the english wiki, so if you want to tell us something it might be wise to do that in english. [[User:Boneyard|Boneyard]] 13:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== News : Amnesty : can't find ==

Today's main page has an article about AI that Wikinews does not seem to have. Why & how ? Thanks. DLL, --[[User:193.56.241.75|193.56.241.75]] 14:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:Wikipedia and Wikinews are seperate projects, and those who contribute to one don't necessarily contribute to the other. As a result, an article not on Wikipedia might escape the notice of those on Wikinews, and vice versa. [[User:Lord Bob|Lord Bob]] 14:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)